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[Peanut]

My. My. Your persecution complex fits like a glove, wear it well.
Poor thang!
If you read a newspaper, and it said President Bush was Satan incarnate, you would believe it.
You do not have the mental capability to utilize reasoning.
You stop at acceptance.
You are right.

Umm, ok. You showed me.

[Peanut]

Scummybear,

You are missing my point though. The fact that Clarke ordered them out of the country, makes him just as bad as Bush. WHY did he, is the question? Do you honestly believe that Clarke came to that decision on his own?

I never said I am solely blaming Dubya and only him, he's too simple. I said I blamed him and his administration for not putting more effort in stopping Osama. Clarke was part of this administration and at least he admitted his failure (I dont really care for this admittance, but at LEAST there is that).

[scummybear]

Peanut said:

Scummybear,

Do you honestly believe that Clarke came to that decision on his own?

He says that he did. He is apparently taking full responsibility for it.
Look, Clarke, to me, is kind of an enigmatic fellow, but I don't think he the kind of guy who takes the fall for someone. Especially someone with whom he has an obvious disdain. But as I've said before, every corner he turns, there is a contradiction of some sort.

He seems to have this annoying habit of NOT filling in "the principles" on matters of importance.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "bad as Bush" though.

And as far as I can see, Bush did everything humanly possible in his efforts to capture Bin Laden. To answer your question: why? Good question apparently, as it appears to be a complicated, convoluted story. I found a good link about it if you're interested:

www.nationalreview.com/york/york091102.asp

[Peanut]

He says that he did. He is apparently taking full responsibility for it.

OK, and that's good. BUT that still doesnt mean Bush and his advisors didnt have anything to do with Clarke's decision.

Why do you believe his admittance to failure, but nothing else he says?

Clarke, to me, is kind of an enigmatic fellow, but I don't think he the kind of guy who takes the fall for someone. Especially someone with whom he has an obvious disdain. But as I've said before, every corner he turns, there is a contradiction of some sort.

But how do you KNOW? I dont know the man, you dont know the man, who knows what's going on in that head of his? But the fact that he OK'd a war on a nation that your president was completely for - doesnt that set off an alarm or two?

And as far as I can see, Bush did everything humanly possible in his efforts to capture Bin Laden

I guess we have to agree to disagree here, because I dont see how the man, in charge of the strongest nation in the world, can't find ONE man? Also, the amount of money wasted in Iraq, and the use of your army in Iraq and not in Afghanistan, must also put a strain on what he could've done to find Osama.

As for your link,

But the bin Ladens did not have to worry about that. While FBI agents looked into bin Laden family members in the Boston area immediately after September 11, it appears that the agents' first chance to interview them — or other family members who lived elsewhere in the country — came on the day they left the U.S. Each family member was given the all-clear on the basis of a single, day-of-departure interview — conducted, in Bill Carter's words, "at the airport, as they were about to leave."

You're telling me, that 22 people, related to Osama Bin Laden, were thoroughly interviewed in the span of ONE day? In the most basic of murder cases, witnesses or any other people that MAY have information are interviewed at least a FEW times, before being given the "ok". I'm sorry, something seems fishy here. Also the fact that the article is written on a conservative web site, isnt the greatest indicator of neutrality. (LOL, W ketchup!)

Asked by National Review whether the FBI had conducted a full and thorough investigation of all the family members before allowing them to go, Carter repeated his earlier statement: "The FBI had an opportunity to interview the individuals on that plane, and we were satisfied with the information they provided."

Keeping in mind, the sooner these people were out of the country the better; also nice to fear for the safety of these Saudi's even though -

The Department of Justice is waging a deliberate campaign of arrest and detention to protect American lives"

"Unless you have evidence to stop them from leaving the country, they have every right to do that," Carter explained.

Even a week after a terrorist attack?? This may sound very conservative of me, but who in hell cares about 22 people's rights to leave a country, when they are related to the man that just lead the greatest attack on your nation?

"The bin Laden family is very large, and for the most part are involved in legitimate enterprises. The fact of the matter is that because of September 11, some of these individuals felt it would be better to leave the country. They have every right to do that."

That doesnt sound like the department of justice is doing everything to protect american lives.

And another thing, "legitimate", come on now.

Investigators do not usually presume that a relative has no connection or knowledge of a crime

Ummm, yes they do.

they usually conduct an investigation to make sure the relatives can be eliminated as suspects or witnesses.

All well and good! BUT NOT IN THE SPAN OF A DAY(OR WEEK) WHEN 22 PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED!

One final thing, notice how the article didnt say ONE thing about IRAQ? They talked about pockets of resistance in the Phillipines, investigating people in Switzerland, wouldnt you think the first country they would go after, in trying to find a link to Osama, would be Iraq; what your president has been saying all along?

[scummybear]

One final thing, notice how the article didnt say ONE thing about IRAQ? They talked about pockets of resistance in the Phillipines, investigating people in Switzerland, wouldnt you think the first country they would go after, in trying to find a link to Osama, would be Iraq; what your president has been saying all along?[/

Do you realize that Bush NEVER made this claim. If you can find it, post it.

You seem to keep harping about the Osama- Iraq connection as the whole basis for going to war when it wasn't. Are you having an amnestic episode over the failed U.N. resolutions, the perceived threat (and for very good reason) from WMD's, the FACT that people on both sides of the political spectrum were on board for ousting this idiot?(Hussein); but now are back-peddling to seize an opportunity to kick Bush in the gut.

What is the deal with this obsessive perseveration over finding someone who for all intents and purposes is as dead as a popcorn fart (Bin Laden). We bombed the crap out of Afghanistan, and spent (and are still spending) money, time, and effort, to, at the very least keep him (if he's even alive)and his ilk from posing any further threats, and so far, we've been successful. But he is not the only person on this planet that poses a threat to others.

You seem to have this overly simplistic view of all matters pertaining to national security: "He did it, why don't you just get him?" We had a chance before 911 happened, remember? You also try to appear unbiased in your placing of blame, but its clear to see that you blame Bush, just like all the libs.

It will be interesting to find out what documents Sandy Berger crammed in his pockets and conveniently misplaced just in time for examination. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe not.

[BOLO]

Heres a guy whut says, no one can know about his country cause they ain't from it. Yet by picking up a paper this idiot knows all about our country, our politics, and how the American people think.
Peanut your right again. You have been shown to be the hypocritical ass you are. Are you UBE also?
Did you post under your own post?

[BOLO]

Scummybear sir.
How come you are always missing his point?
Your drinks are ready at the pub.
;D

[rush22]

You seem to keep harping about the Osama- Iraq connection as the whole basis for going to war when it wasn't.

Of course it was not the whole basis. There was also the UN resolution to use to justify Gulf War II. Bush just made sure he never literally said "they are connected" even while leading almost sixty percent of the public to believe Iraq had something to do with 9/11. Like a lawyer would, not like a President would.

Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq

"SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) AUTHORIZATION. The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to

(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and

(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding Iraq.

(b) PRESIDENTIAL DETERMINATION.

In connection with the exercise of the authority granted in subsection (a) to use force the President shall, prior to such exercise or as soon there after as may be feasible, but no later than 48 hours after exercising such authority, make available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President pro tempore of the Senate his determination that

(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or other peaceful means alone either (A) will not adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq or (B) is not likely to lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq, and

(2) acting pursuant to this resolution is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorists attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.[/b]" (emphasis added)

[Peanut]

Yet by picking up a paper this idiot knows all about our country, our politics, and how the American people think.
Peanut your right again. You have been shown to be the hypocritical ass you are. Are you UBE also?
Did you post under your own post?

You really think calling me an idiot will get me all railed up? Dear lord you're immature. My previous post was a commentary on something that didnt sit right with me; so take that sick outta your ass and relax, be mature, respond like the man you claim you are, and I'm sure this thread will be better for it. BTW, UBE is a friend of mine (I told him about this site).

Rush22,

THANK YOU! Saved me some time

[scummybear]

Rush22,

THANK YOU! Saved me some time

It's nice that he did your work for you; however, he wasn't able to find anything. He couldn't, so he went on one of his usual tangents to detract from the original point, which was, that he(Bush) never said it. (emphasis added)

He even mentions the UN resolutions in the first paragraph, as well as other criteria for appropriate action, given information provided at the time. I also think it's reasonable to include anyone who might have had anything to do with the attacks of 911.

[Peanut]

Correction, he never said it directly (emphasis added).

including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorists attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.

Which nation did Bush lead a primary attack on? Iraq. Can we put two and two together, please?

[BOLO]

You really think calling me an idiot will get me all railed up?

I am describing you intelligence quotient, not providing appellations.
Railed or riled, doesn't matter to me at all.
I gave, and give, no indication that your ire is something I desire or care about.
You JUMPED to that conclusion on your own. Not surprising considering how many other conclusions you have jumped to.
You know who Joe Wilson is?

Dear lord you're immature

Well I suppose when the Lord passed out "Rights' there you were standing in line begging for the right to judge others on a maturity level.
Well as you say. UMM. O.K. You showed me. ;D

My previous post was a commentary on something that didnt sit right with me;

Now there is an announcement.
How about...What you said, and the way you said,it didn't sit right with me. So now how does that go. It only counts when it's you???

so take that sick outta your ass and relax/quote]
Well, since I don't have one there, let me offer the following advice. Take your head out of your ass and try looking at the world and America with a better attitude other than the Sh***Y one you currently posses.
Your messing with My Country BUB, and I don't like it.

be mature, respond like the man you claim you are

No claim of that nature was made. Never the Less. I am, and did,you on the other hand.
Well it's all a question.

and I'm sure this thread will be better for it

Your (and only your) perspective. Obtained as indicated above, you bent over grabbed both cheeks, and spread them in order to achieve this perspective.

BTW, UBE is a friend of mine (I told him about this site).

Number of different ways to go here.
1. Most obvious. You have no friends.
2. Two personas. (Not difficult to believe)
3. You are alike. Both are willing to jump to conclusions, make asinine remarks, set yourselves up as better than others, make judgements based on no facts at all.
Ignore reality, and pretend you know what you are talking about.
4. Similar Ideaologies, and responses, Soul Twins.
Also to consider. When confronted directly, you tangent off, or ignore the issue or question.
Know what a Berger is?
I don't like you. Pure and simple. ;D
I just let you know it. You can't handle it. Me ahn haj a moy u.
Also: Sym Loi. Dinky Dau.

[Peanut]

Well I suppose when the Lord passed out "Rights' there you were standing in line begging for the right to judge others on a maturity level.
Well as you say. UMM. O.K. You showed me.

I dont care for your sense of christianity, I am not a christian anymore. I see it like it is, and you are a very very immature man. AND the great part is, you really feel proud of yourself after every post addressed to me? Isnt pride a deadly sin? hmmmmmmmm

Now there is an announcement.
How about...What you said, and the way you said,it didn't sit right with me. So now how does that go. It only counts when it's you

I was commenting on an article posted on a conservative site that tried to show Bush as a hero, when he wasnt. I can smell your hypocrisy and ignorance from here!

Well, since I don't have one there, let me offer the following advice. Take your head out of your ass and try looking at the world and America with a better attitude other than the Sh***Y one you currently posses.
Your messing with My Country BUB, and I don't like it.

I'm not messing with your COUNTRY, I'm messing with the man that's leading it. Plain and simple, he's a moron. I dont like him, and I am free to say that, so take your high and mighty attitude, drop it and move on already.

No claim of that nature was made. Never the Less. I am, and did,you on the other hand.
Well it's all a question.

MY. GOD. You disagreed on a compliment from me to you; just for the sake of disagreeing with me. I'm speechless.

Your (and only your) perspective. Obtained as indicated above, you bent over grabbed both cheeks, and spread them in order to achieve this perspective.

Now you're disagreeing with me in that the thread will be better off without our bickering towards one another. Un-freakin-believable. Every post you post, just proves it more and more - you MUST be a child, or at most an early teenager.

Number of different ways to go here.
1. Most obvious. You have no friends.
2. Two personas. (Not difficult to believe)
3. You are alike. Both are willing to jump to conclusions, make asinine remarks, set yourselves up as better than others, make judgements based on no facts at all.
Ignore reality, and pretend you know what you are talking about.
4. Similar Ideaologies, and responses, Soul Twins.
Also to consider. When confronted directly, you tangent off, or ignore the issue or question.
Know what a Berger is?
I don't like you. Pure and simple.
I just let you know it. You can't handle it. Me ahn haj a moy u.
Also: Sym Loi. Dinky Dau.

Well news flash for you princess, I dont care that you dont like me, I really and truly DON'T. I do not lose sleep over it whatsoever. You need to grow up. This will be my last response to you, I will let you have the last word (unless you really just piss me off, then I'll msg you in private, gimme Mo a little rest from this msgs). You are the first person in my entire life that I pity. In the immortal words of Homer Simpson - "Let's file this under 'R' for 'R-ree-ver-der-chee'"

[BOLO]

I dont care for your sense of christianity,

So?

I am not a christian anymore.

Again so?

I see it like it is, and you are a very very immature man

Your blind.
You do like to use those words, but your attempts to establish superiority fail abysmally.
Not surprising. I sense whining here.

AND the great part is, you really feel proud of yourself after every post addressed to me

A condition attributed to me by you.
You have no way of knowing it to be true yet like a typical liberal you jumped to a conclusion, attributed to me, then attempt to twist or distort a fact you just conceived.

Isnt pride a deadly sin? hmmmmmmmm

One of them, but you knew that didn't you? However it has nothing to do with me. Those are your words above.

I was commenting on an article posted on a conservative site that tried to show Bush as a hero, when he wasnt. I can smell your hypocrisy and ignorance from here

Actually you just smell.
Hypocrisy is your middle name. You have been caught at it, and you attempt to divert attention away from your being caught. As to President Bush, Yes he is a Hero. You have your worthless opinion, we have ours. Ours counts.

I'm not messing with your COUNTRY, I'm messing with the man that's leading it

Which further illustrates your stupidity and ignorance when it comes to America. Our elected leaders are there to represent our country. They are Americans also. They ARE our country as much as any other American, you cretin. Attack the President and you attack all Americans. Jerk.

Plain and simple, he's a moron.

Plain and simple, YOU are a moron. But I already said that. You never did show proof that your educational level was higher, nor your IQ. You just make asshat statements.

I dont like him,

As I already said. I don't like you. I could care less if some dumb ass Canadian doesn't like him or any one else in America.

I'm free to say that.

So am I!

I dont like him, so take your high and mighty attitude, drop it and move on already.

Something you possess in high quantities. Move on your self. ;D
You are whining aren't you?

MY. GOD. You disagreed on a compliment from me to you; just for the sake of disagreeing with me.

Your a very disagreeable person.

I'm speechless.

Would that it were true.

Now you're disagreeing with me in that the thread will be better off without our bickering towards one another.

See above. Forum is known as the Rant Forum. Can't handle it, move back up on the porch, and leave the big dogs alone.

Un-freakin-believable

Yes you are! For sure. 10-4.

Every post you post, just proves it more and more - you MUST be a child, or at most an early teenager.

You do keep trying don't you?
You just can't understand what's happening here.
You are an idiot. You make asinine assumptions about people, and jump to inane conclusions, then try to justify your own childish, and juvenile responses, by attempting to downplay my age.
You continue to prove your own immaturity with your constant attacks on mine.

Well news flash for you princess, I dont care that you dont like me

Yeah! So?

I really and truly DON'T

Jeez!!! Stop whining.

I do not lose sleep over it whatsoever

Yeah! So?

You need to grow up

Uno Mas Tiempo. You do have an age hang up.
You will never get over being immature, or younger.

This will be my last response to you

You keep posting in this Forum, I gar on tee, I will respond to you.
This is an empty threat.

I will let you have the last word

Aint that grand of you!!

(unless you really just piss me off, then I'll msg you in private, gimme Mo a little rest from this msgs

You could have done that any time. However what ever you send, if you send it, will end up in the Forum.
As to pissing you off. Well. How now brown cow?
God forbid that should happen.

You are the first person in my entire life that I pity

That is impressive because?
Oh yeah, goes with that superior than thou attitude of yours.

In the immortal words of Homer Simpson - "Let's file this under 'R' for 'R-ree-ver-der-chee'"

Now it does not surprise me that you follow Homer, nor that you believe him to be real. Nope. Not at all.

I asked you on several occasions some very specific questions, and I made some very specific remarks in refutation to some of your outlandish statements.
You never answered. You ducked the issues, because you could not reply. You use circular logic to defend your untenable position. You were shown to be a hypocrite. You did not address that issue at all. Rather you avoided it. You chose from the very beginning to Make this personal. You attacked my COUNTRY, and I responded.
You are not at all capable of intelligent discussion.
You merely want to express untenable opinions. Opinions are like the air. They carry no weight with out facts. Real facts, not just more circumlogic opinions.
You have none. (Facts)
Give me a break on the MO issue.
Mo can, and I am sure, will if she feels it required, make her opinion on the matter known. Quit worrying about others. That is one thing that irritated me from the beginning.
You worried about the families of 911.
We don't want you worrying about us, we are doing fine. Leave us out of your post.
Get a life.

[swamper]

Your country witnessed and experienced a terrorist attack, one of the most vicious, in the western world. Who was running the country, at the time of this attack

Less than nine months in the White House wasn't near enough time to correct the damage done by eight years of the previous administration.

Swamper