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Jul 13, 2004 18:39:38 GMT -5
Post by TNRighty on Jul 13, 2004 18:39:38 GMT -5
For our Canadian friend out there, I could care less what kind of liberal whackjobs ya'll have up there. I could care less if ya'll favor government health care. Just don't go telling the USA how we should run business down here. You don't live here, and thank goodness. The USA wasn't founded on the principles which you advocate. You're lucky you have the USA as a neighbor. We won't invade your country and kill your women and children just because we disagree your lifestyle, which we do. But what if you whimps shared a border with Palestine or a Hussein-led Iraq. You'dve been invaded a long time ago and be begging for the USA to come save you. And you know what, we probably would. By the way, those terrorists didn't fly their planes into downtown Montreal, so as I see it, you have ABSOLUTELY no say in this issue whatsoever. If the USA is so evil, why do 90% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the US border. Your greatly unappreciated security is due 100% to the economy and military power of the USA. United States agriculture feeds your country for crying out loud. It is widely accepted in the USA that any attack on North America is considered an attack on the USA. Would you spineless cowards ever be willing to take that sort of stand. I doubt it. So just shut up and get out of the way while we defend you and the rest of the free world from the tyranny of Islamic radicalism. Goodbye
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Jul 13, 2004 22:25:25 GMT -5
Post by Peanut on Jul 13, 2004 22:25:25 GMT -5
BOLO, We can be arrognant, cuz we hold no real power, but then again, whose ever attacked us?? By the way, the French Canadians are nothing like the people of France. The only country we feel a strong bond from is Great Britain, for obvious reasons, but even that isnt taken seriously.
Then how did the Conservative Party win 91 seats?? There are only 308 ridings in Canada, the Liberals won 134 - so even though they won, they still cant do anything, a new election will be called within a year (most likely).
and you call me pompous? "YOU PEOPLE" I'm sure your wife and her family would appreciate that comment.
OK.
If you're talking about former Prime Minister, Jean Chretien, first off the man is French Canadian (i was NOT making fun of Bush's accent, i was making fun of the fact that he's said "misunderestimate" and called pakistani people "pakis") and second, Jean Chretien suffered from Polo as a child, and the end result was his slur.
- who said anything about being perfect? I was just hoping that the man leading the strongest nation in the world, would be able to grasp the basics of the English Language.
I didnt make the generalization about Americans, YOU did.
Huh? That was my opinion, YOU are the one making it seem that I have all the answers, I obviously dont. Again, i was just stating that from what Bush has done in the last four years, you cant really go wrong with voting him out.
- Dear Lord man, you kiss your mother with that mouth? Put it this way, if the Bush Administration took such great precautions in securing the US from an attack by Osama Bin Laden, how did 9/11 occur? When you have a report that claims "Osama Bin Laden to ATTACK THE USA" and then a few months later you have that horrible tradegy occur - how can you sit there and tell me the Bush Administration did NOT fail your country? When you have your president attack ANOTHER nation, when it should've kept to finding Osama, AND STILL HASNT, why bother protecting him and his administration? They failed you, vote them out! That's not arrognance speaking, that's plain logic, because those families of victims of 9/11, want justice, and your president STILL hasnt given it to them.
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Jul 13, 2004 22:45:36 GMT -5
Post by Peanut on Jul 13, 2004 22:45:36 GMT -5
Scummybear,
OSAMA, OH-SAW-MAH, is responsible for what happened to your country - why isnt the search on for him, in full force?? How does the "Hunt for Osama" become the "War on Terror"??
But dont you want to know WHY they are taught such psychoatic things?? I'm not saying they are right in doing what they do, no human should murder another, call me a pacifist, a liberal, whatever, i just dont believe in that, BUT, you really have no curiousity WHY they are taught this? To try and understand it, maybe realize something negative has happened to them, and someone is at fault (just MAYBE)?? LOL, could i push that question any harder...
Ah see, i think this is where our wires were getting crossed, i thought you meant something else. You cant negotiate with terrorists, but there is a difference between a little old lady that curses america, when troops bulldoze her house in search for potential terrorists and then those that burned those four troops alive and dragged their bodies thru the streets. I think people get carried away with labelling someone a terrorist, when in some cases, that's not the case. (IE, little old lady NO, people dragging the burnt corpses of troops, YES)
Oh, it properly has pockets of support in Iraq, but i havent seen or read anything that shows that it infiltrated Saddam's gov't. Pockets of Alquida were able to organize what happened in Spain, but no one is questioning whether or not the Spainish gov't has any ties to Iraq - I wonder why?
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Jul 14, 2004 5:47:44 GMT -5
Post by scummybear on Jul 14, 2004 5:47:44 GMT -5
I will agree with that statement, but you can't believe that he is the only one who poses a threat; you have to remember that there was more than one reason for going to war with Iraq. Hussein, for years, had repeatedly violated U.N. resolutions pertaining to weapons, and inspections. And given the information that was provided by intelligence(exagerated as it may have been) there was still cause for alarm with this guy.
No one has thrown up their hands with regard to Bin Laden. He is still being sought fervently, you just don't hear about it as much.
Have you not heard of their belief that western culture is evil (per their extreme muslim beliefs), and as such, should be eradicated? What more do you need to know? And if there is more, how does knowing it benefit the process of stopping it??
I think I can discern. . . Of course I'm not talking about "little old ladies". If you are refering to the Iraqi people, their is obviously some differences of opinion regarding our occupation, but I am not calling all Iraqis terrorists. You have to remember that they are not all Iraqis, they (terrorists) are also Palestinians, Afghans, Pakistani etc. . .
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Jul 14, 2004 18:12:31 GMT -5
Post by Peanut on Jul 14, 2004 18:12:31 GMT -5
Very well, I can agree with that BUT I dont think the alarm he posed was enough to wage full out war on the nation. At the very least, the U.N. should've finished what they started. I am not defending Saddam, a friend of mine is Assyrian, with family in Iraq - she hates him and has told of the things he's done (granted, it's going to be biased, but he's not saint that's for sure).
I think the Bush administration made a mistake in conducting this War on Terror and should've done what it promised to do on 9/12 - find Osama Bin Laden and bring him to justice.
- But why does it need to be stopped, so one country really hates you - stop terrorist acts towards you, obviously, but if these particular countries have shown they do NOT want to be influenced by Western Culture, who are you to impose our way of life on them? Again, I can just picture your eyes rolling, but I am not talking about respecting a terrorist's belief of martyrdom - I am talking about respecting Islamic beliefs, in an Islamic country - that will only be harmed by Western Civilization Ideology.
Exactly, so then why wage full out war on ONE nation and not every nation that has shown it harbors these Al-Quaida terrorists? Why not attack in full force the nation that shelters it's cheir mastermind, Afghanistan? I know it is under an occupation so to speak, even Canadian Peace Keepers are in Afghanistan - because Afghanistan is a noted threat; Iraq was as well, but not to that degree. I just dont see how all the focus went onto Iraq, when bigger and more dangerous areas of the middle east are not under such occupation.
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Jul 14, 2004 19:34:30 GMT -5
Post by BOLO on Jul 14, 2004 19:34:30 GMT -5
You are arrogant because you are taught to be that way. You consider yourself to be worldly, and wise. You are neither, and I mean you, and your countrymen in general. I know more of your country than you do. I am more than aware of the situation between the English speaking part, and the French Canadian (Québécois) as well as Acadians. (We call the last Cajuns) The French part is deeply rooted to the French Traditions, and heritage. Acadians seldom mix with French Canadian but still consider themselves French in Heritage. So even I know you are wrong in your assertion about your own country, which re-enforces what we have said about you knowing anything about our Country. Comprehension problem? It runs through your post. I stated that it did not surprise me that the Liberal party won. They won didn't they? I could care less about your elections. If they have another one, unless something drastic happens it will still be the Liberal party in power. So what? What I said was correct, and stands by itself. Yes! You people. Comprehension problem again or political sensitivity? Poor Thang. You (not us) people (those of the human persuasion who populate a country). You make a lot of ASSumptions, a big part of your very obvious problem. I could care less about Mr Chretein. I was referring to you, and every other Canadian that makes the same mistakes everyone else makes. Malapropisms. You demand what you can not provide. Perfection in Diction. It also becomes clear you have no understanding of regional dialects or inflections as well as slang. Your ignorance is abysmal. Know what a colloquialism is since you are so tied to your English heritage? Ignorant. Really Ignorant. What country are you President or Prime Minister off? None. How so? You being so perfect, and so wise. You have how many Degrees compared to President Bush? More? (I don't even know you, and I know you don't) Liar. I posted this: Here is what you posted in response to my post: That is a generalization. You imply, or infer, (chose your word) that all Conservatives are Republican. I refuted that. You did generalize Americans. (Or don't you consider that Conservatives are Americans?) You didn't (in typical Liberal fashion) provide any proof for your ASSinine ASSumptions but you continue on with them anyway. The Junior Senator from Massachusetts is a Liar, a Spineless jellyfish, an individual with no convictions or backbone, and would immediately surrender to the Terrorist. He is after all French looking, and inclined toward the new World Order, one of his first actions would be to wave a white flag at the UN. President Bush declared a war on terrorism. The American Public did, and still do support him. Congress endorsed it at our demand. So when it come to our country, and our Represenatives SHUT UP. You don't have a clue. No. She Died last year. Prior to that I did indeed. She had no problem. I don't much care if you do. You generated the response you got with your half assed comments. It occurred stupid because we are a free country. Show me where it says President Bush took great precautions No one in this Administration said any such thing. So where did you get that from. Your Ass? A bunch of thugs took advantage of that freedom, and Hijacked airplanes, then flew them into buildings idiot. Now as some one else said (TNRighty, I believe) no one flew any planes into any buildings in your country killing over three thouand innocent people, so SHUT UP. You don't have a clue. You are to ignorant for words, and too arrogant to understand. We (Americans) know all about that report. ALL about it. You obviously don't. That makes you ignorant. It was one of many with no more substantion than any other and no more detail than any other. Those reports go all the way back to Clinton. There was nothing in them to work off of. No place to go. No particular plot with names, and times, and destinations. You are an idiot. President Bush continues the search for Bin Laden, and you still don't know what you are talking about. As to the "Families of 911" The large majority of them are well satisfied and have no problems with the results or with President Bush. Just a vocal "poor me" "poor me" minority. Frankly I don't care what they think or feel. They exceeded the sympathy line a long time ago. As to you. This was my last post where you are concerned. You are much much to ignorant, and too much the cretin. I don't even want to talk you. You go too far. You have no clue. The electricity is on, but your not wired.
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Jul 14, 2004 23:53:23 GMT -5
Post by Peanut on Jul 14, 2004 23:53:23 GMT -5
- NO you dont, nice try in thinking you do though. We are taught this, because Canada has no real enemies, we must be doing something right; there is a general feeling of safety in Canada, watch 'Bowling for Columbine' - there's a segment on Canadians, Michael Moore goes around opening unlocked doors in downtown Toronto - I doubt this would be seen in downtown Chicago or New York.
- That is not a general assertion, the ideaology is literally split down the middle, between seperatists and non-seperatists. French-Canadians have made their OWN heritage and THAT is what they are fighting to keep alive, because about 50% of them believe it is dwindling out (I'm using the numbers from the last referendum, in which 51.5% of the voters decided to remain part of the Dominion of Canada).
Uhhh, if you know so much about my country, you would know that even though they've won more seats, they haven't won any real power. Quick lesson to enlighten and expand your vast knowledge of my country. Canada has 308 ridings, each riding has one MP (Member of Parliment) assigned to it. In order for a party to have REAL power in the House, logically they need the majority of ridings, so that any vote passed will be won in favour of that party (155 seats). Now, every party must elect a speaker, who cannot vote unless of course there is a tie. When the Liberal Party of Canada won it's 134 seats in this election, yes they won the election, but any vote they have cannot be won, parties need to appeal to other parties to have a vote won (The Conservative Party/The New Democractic Party/the Bloc Québécois are the other main parties in Canada, with one seat going to an independent). Now, this means that if the Liberal party wants to win a vote, they need to appeal to another party and hope that each MP will vote their way (each MP has the choice not to vote, vote against or for the decision, regardless of the consensus in the entire Party). The whole point of your lesson:
No my friend, it was not. The Conservative Party may have technically lost the election, they still have a lot of power.
SLANG?! Are you ill? This not some Mayor of Armpit Arkansas whose biggest decision of the year is to have a pie eating contest before or after the 4th of July - this is the PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA - his "slang" is embarassing to you and your country, it makes him sounds uneducated (but wait, he graduated from Yale you might say!).
'Paki' is a racial slur, not colloquialism. "Misunderestimate" or "Is our children learning?" is bad grammar.
I don't, I can admit when I've made a mistake and clearly I have here. HOWEVER, can you blame me? I'm debating on a Conservative Rant Site, arguing about BUSH to someone who supports him (impression i've gotten from your replies). I cant make such assumptions because I dont usually do, the procedural vote that was just had in your country on whether or not to ban gay marriage, had 6 Republicans voting against the amendment to the constitution and 3 Democrats voting FOR the amendment. If I implied that all republicans are conservatives and all democrats are liberals, I apologize and never meant too.
NO! President Bush twisted the hunt for Osama into the "War on Terror" and attacked the Soveriegn Nation of Iraq, when no Iraqi citizen ever as been arrested for crimes against an american citizen (prior to his invasion of Iraq). Your President lied to you about the reasoning behind going to war, only to have support claiming "well I dont care why he went to war, he got Saddam" - hey that's great! BUT WHERE IN BLOODY HELL IS OSAMA?!?! THAT is what the families of the victims of 9/11 need to know!
NO, speak to your gay friends (if you have any) and ask them about freedom. Speak to the older generations of non-white people and talk to them about freedom, speak to and congratulate anyone in Alabama, where they are celebrating the three year anniversary of allowing interracial marriages! THEN and only then can you speak about freedom and the freedom you THINK you have.
damnIT MAN! (that will probably be omitted by MO, sorry! It was in the heat of the moment) CONDALEZZA RICE saying "I believe the title of the report was 'OSAMA BIN LADEN TO ATTACK THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA' - THEY KNEW something was up and something was coming. FOUR planes were hijacked, I'm sorry that's unacceptable - You realize you are supporting the sin of omission here, right? Knowing something bad is going to happen and not doing anything to stop it - why would you support an administration like that?? Regardless of it being Republican or Democratic - IT FAILED YOU.
No, but Canadians were killed in that attack, along with many others from many other countries. SO YOU HAVE NO CLUE and can "Shut up" - you little brat.
GET A COPY OF THAT REPORT AND READ IT, BEGINNING TO END. It states "that possible forms of attack by Bin Laden, maybe be the use of vehicles, such as cars, boats or PLANES" What a typical conservative response, un-freakin-believable.
Now whose pulling what out of whose ass?! It's so heart warming to see that you have taken it upon yourself, personally, to see how the families of the victims of 9/11 are coping. Spare me your crap!
Are you high? Seriously, did you take a crap load of bad drugs before writing all this trash? It's nice that you're trying to prove to me you're a tough guy and all, but I dont care, you are still very wrong and just damn heartless in alot of the stuff you say. This isnt a liberal speaking, this is a human being, addressing how morally wrong another human being can be, for what he just said.
Thank the Lord! I wont have to address every mind staggeringly idiotic point you try to make.
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Jul 15, 2004 1:00:07 GMT -5
Post by Ube on Jul 15, 2004 1:00:07 GMT -5
hey Peanut, why don't you leave BOLO alone. i'm a canadian as well and can't believe how judgemental you are being to our neighbours to the south. BOLO is very proud to be an american and should be so. i just can't wait until he tells us when he'll be enlisting in the US military to fight for the freedom he enjoys. after all, anyone who doesn't fight this war on terror is a coward and it doesn't get more cowardly than enjoying freedom that others are dying for. good luck in Iraq BOLO. us canadians along with the french and every other country in the world must be cowards!!! neutrality, pfff, forget that. who cares that this war was unsanctioned by the U.N. we don't need the U.N's approval. who cares if Roosevelt helped create the Atlantic Charter during WWII which was the foundation of the creation of the U.N. they let us down, according to that act every country should uphold the principle that aggressor nations should be disarmed. and that's what the US did, went to war because Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. maybe when you're in Iraq you'll be the one to find them, BOLO, and prove that stupid U.N. wrong. i mean honestly, did we really need U.N inspectors. we should just trust the president of the united states, he would never lie to his people. just like Clinton and Nixon. So Peanut, why don't you leave the US alone. sure canada and france were fighting in WWII while the US declared neutrality but they were still willing to sell the allies arms as long as we transported them ourselves. and when they finally did enter the war well they sure bombed the hell out of japan and won it for us. yeah, yeah so it was mostly Russia that took care of the german forces but we all know the real threat was in japan. who cares about all the other allied nations like us and france and even the appointed allied government of Iraq. so BOLO, just ignore Peanut, you go to Iraq and fight the good fight, when you come back maybe you can post pictures of all the terrorist college students you've captured and abused. (they're of course asking for it). it will all be worth it when you find osama sitting in a cave there with all his wmd's.
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Jul 15, 2004 5:31:07 GMT -5
Post by scummybear on Jul 15, 2004 5:31:07 GMT -5
History isn't your forte' is it? Neither is reality. get a clue!
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Jul 15, 2004 17:09:34 GMT -5
Post by TNRighty on Jul 15, 2004 17:09:34 GMT -5
The reason the terrorists are going after the US is simple. They seek to have the entire world under the rule of Islamic radicalism, and the United States is the only force in the world that stands between them and their ultimate goal. When I say rule of Islamic radicalism what I mean is that they want the entire world to fear daily the threat of terrorism, and they'll use that threat to control as many nations as possible. They don't have to move in and take over governments to do that. Take Spain and the Philippines for example. They in essence surrendered to bin Laden. He threatened them, and they backed down. Mission accomplished if you're a terrorist. For all intents and purposes they now effectively control Spain and the Philippines from caves in the Afghan countryside. They're trying the same thing Hitler tried in the 1930's and 40's, only they're much smarter. They use surgical precision rather than brute force. Unlike Hitler, they don't seek to occupy nations, only control them. If we lose the war on terror, the entire world loses. If the US bows out, who's gonna fight these thugs? If terrorists harness the fears of the most powerful nation on the planet, they win. All bin Laden would have to do then is sit in his cave and run the world in his own image. I'm not going to try to sit here and tell you everything is going brilliantly in the war on terror. We've made some mistakes, but at least we're fighting. If you're envious of the power and worldwide influence America has, just remember this. Since civilization began, the world has never been without a superpower. I'll ask you Canadians one question, and please answer it honestly. Who would you prefer to be the most powerful force in the world. The United States or Islamic Fundamentalism?
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Jul 16, 2004 17:50:52 GMT -5
Post by BOLO on Jul 16, 2004 17:50:52 GMT -5
Peanut Ah. Hit home didn't I. Yes I do know more than you. Hurts your pride doesn't it? I am 1/4 Iroquois. My people immigrated down from Canada. Some are still there. I have relatives all over from Vancouver, to Winnipeg, to Nova Scotia. More with my wife. Canada has no real enemies because she poses no real threat. She is not a power. Bowling was another set of Michael Moore lies and distortions. You believe that stuff? I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. Cheap. How about some Ocean Front Property in Arizona? You make your self ridiculous and your assertions even stupider by citing a full blown idiot like that. I am from Atlanta. Bigger than downtown Toronto. I can do the same thing there. Get a life. Moore is an ass. Canada is settled by more than English. There are Russian, Swedish, Norwegian, and Polish settlements as well as English. The Provincial Police just recently supplanted the Local Police (which no longer exist) This has made many very unhappy. Especially the OPP. Province's in Canada are in open rebellion against the Weapons Registration Law, and will not enforce it. (Including Ontario) The Conservatives in Canada are not the same as in the U.S. They are actually more moderate. They may gain seats but in the long run the natural bent for Socialism by the average Canadian will win out the Liberal party will stay in power. Yeah I know Canada better than you.
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Jul 16, 2004 18:42:09 GMT -5
Post by BOLO on Jul 16, 2004 18:42:09 GMT -5
Re-enforces what I said. Belies what you said. Acadians have not made their own heritage, they carry it with them. You attempt to denigrate everyone don't you?
I did not get that detailed. Was not needed. Liberals are in control, they won. You keep trying to get technical, and weasel out of it. Power Bloc's, who cares. The Powers that be will get what they need by politicking and that means the Liberals will have their way.
Non! Mes Ami. Same reply.
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Jul 16, 2004 18:48:09 GMT -5
Post by TNRighty on Jul 16, 2004 18:48:09 GMT -5
I'm still waiting for one of you Canadians to answer my question.....
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Jul 16, 2004 18:55:42 GMT -5
Post by BOLO on Jul 16, 2004 18:55:42 GMT -5
Ube I entered the U.S. Marine Corp in 1966. I served in Viet Nam in 1967/68, 1970/71, 1973. Armored and Air wing. Served as Infantry on many occasions. I served on the DMZ in Korea from 1977 to 1979. Was involved in more than a few firefights there. After 20+ years I retired. I am currently a Gov Employee. I was in Kuwait after the Gulf War. In Saudi prior to that. I was again in Kuwait during the start up of the war. I have now been to Baghdad, and Basra, and a few other places at least 8 or 9 times. I am now going to say something that may get me kicked out of the Forum. But you are one huge gigantic ass hole, and I want to meet you. I will be in Elliot Lake in Aug. I am more than willing to arrange a time, and a place because I intend to punch you right in the mouth. Ass!!!!
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Jul 16, 2004 21:02:01 GMT -5
Post by Peanut on Jul 16, 2004 21:02:01 GMT -5
TNRighty,
Neither.
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