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Post by UncleVinny on Oct 20, 2004 12:32:42 GMT -5
Despite denials, many people believe the US is thinking about a new military draft.
A recent Wall Stree Journal report indicates there is a major slump in military recruiting efforts. Young people do not want to go to war. Those already in the military and the National Guard are protesting forced extensions of their tours of duty in Iraq. This is what Kerry called "the back door draft."
Source: Christopher Cooper. Wall Street Journal.
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Post by MO on Oct 20, 2004 17:48:51 GMT -5
This is just more Democrat smoke and mirrors and scare tactics. The military hates Democrats, and you can expect people will be leaving the military in droves if sKerry is elected. The chances of it actually coming to pass are much greater under a sKerry administration. Especially since it's Democrats in the house and senate who keep trying to push for bills to start a draft.
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Post by UncleVinny on Oct 20, 2004 18:13:23 GMT -5
I don;t know - military leaders are asking for more troops; they still have not sealed the borders, and the election in Iraq is coming up in January. Add to that the fact of the Internet adding the beheading of hostages to the collective consciousness of draft age people, the resistance to extended tours, the slump in volunteers, and the first reports of refusals of troops to obey orders to go on dangerous missions - - all adds up to a need for FORCED service. It's all backfiring on the trigger-happy Texan, who's only qualification is that his daddy bought him a baseball team!  I see it as the beginning of the end for this phony war. Wrong war, wrong time, wrong place Wrong G W  bush |
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Post by MO on Oct 20, 2004 21:37:46 GMT -5
You have only named one source (that you didn't link to) who has OPINED about a draft being needed. The last statistics I saw just a few months ago showed enlistments at 100% of what is needed and overall high rates of reenlistments. I also can't understand why you world draw conclusions about a draft based on the behavior of less than twenty enlistees who are a discipline problem and need to be court marshaled.
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Post by skeeter1 on Oct 20, 2004 23:04:56 GMT -5
My daughter served in the Navy until shortly before the invasion of Iraq. I have her Navy photo by my desk at work. One day a couple women were waiting to see one of my bosses and they looked at my daughter's picture and asked me about her. After explaining that she was no longer in the Navy, they said, "I bet you're glad!" I admitted that, as her mother, I was relieved that she wasn't sent in harm's way. However, I also pointed out to these women that my daughter was actually greatly disappointed. Unlike a lot of recruits, she didn't join the armed services for the education and training and all the other "perks" the recruiters talk up. She joined because she wanted to serve her country and if that meant going to war, she was willing, ready, and able to do it.
It astounds me to hear some of these young people in our armed forces complain that they're actually expected to use the training they've received for combat purposes.
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Post by UncleVinny on Oct 21, 2004 12:14:56 GMT -5
That is an admirable stance Skeeter. I want you to know that people like me, often called 'liberal', find such dedication to country a valuable act of patriotism.
My personal concern is that sometimes it may be possible for a commander - be that an inexperienced leutenant, or a commander in chief - sometimes make decisions that are foolhardy, and put such good people as your children in harms way - not for the purpose of defending our democracy, but for short-sighted, or political goals that have nothing to do with the safety of the United States.
Certainly, if there were another Hitler out there, we would all rally around the flad and defend our nation. My gripe is not against families like yours, but that it's possible, even probable, that we got mixed up in this war for the wrong reasons, and have dangerously overextended our troop committments, all for the purpose of large corporations getting oil fields and war contracts. The very idea that that could happen is frightening to me, and the facts in this war tend to support my suspicions.
I am NOT anit-American, but realize we are not in Kansas anymore, and this war may really have been a colossal mistake. I would say get your kids out fast!
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Post by scrap on Oct 21, 2004 14:11:32 GMT -5
Uncle Vinny
I would tend to take the decisions of our current Commander In Chief over the possible waffling non decisions of his opponent most any day.
Do you really think the decisions reached were for political or monetary gain.
That's a very scary and narrow minded approach to take. As a liberal I know you don't agree with the war at least not in it's current state.
I for one think we went into it for the right reasons. As a Veteran I feel for the troops that are there and more so for the families of the ones that won't be coming home alive. I don't say blindly follow but use some discretion in the words chosen.
How do think the troops feel when they hear the comments of people like yourself and believe me when I say they hear them.
I say support our Commander In Chief, our troops and the policies of an administration that is trying to protect this country and it's citizens from enemies no longer easily defined
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Post by UncleVinny on Oct 22, 2004 11:33:45 GMT -5
I know you are sincere Scrap, but you should read the newspapers. A report out today shows how the Bush administration manipulated data to make a case for war. They distorted and warped intelligence in order to fool the American people into war. I know it must be hard to admit you were duped, but bite the bullet! Meanwhile a new survey out of Iraq shows most of it's citizens would NOT support the US backed Awalli, but would rather vote for their local religious clerics! So much for forcing western style democracy down their throats. So what is the killing for? Why are these kids dying over there? Just so the Iraqis can return to a feudal system of religious rule. We've been made fools of, and you know it, and 1000 of our boys are dead, another 7000 maimed for life. What a waste! Yeah, go ahead, continue to 'stay the course' and support your war-dog president! What fools! These colors don't run the world, and certainly not Iraq! |
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Post by scrap on Oct 22, 2004 14:32:55 GMT -5
Bite the bullet huh! I'd like to do something else with that bullet
Survey schmurvey is that where you get your info.
Or should I say the leftist liberal based news media in this country.
You should try thinking for yourself and not spouting the party line.
How about letting the election go forth before denigrading it's value.
By the way I believe your candidate wanted to go to war also.
Yes there were no WMDs as of now except of course the one hiding in the hole, but it would be ok to turn a blind eye to the mass slaughter he inflicted simply because it's not a popular decision
I believe you would have left Hitler in power because it wasn't any of our business.
You need to grow a backbone and start walking upright ,or continue crawling and see the world from that angle.
The people being duped are the ones who take everything the media says as gospel.
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Post by UncleVinny on Oct 22, 2004 15:19:24 GMT -5
Personal attacks will get you nowhere, Scrap, you should know better.
ANY thinking person KNOWS (with or without a survey) that the whole western puppet show will collapse in 5 minutes after our troops withdraw. It's a waste!
The best they can hope for is a benevolent cleric who supports the people, whether or not that includes a pro-US stance.
No, I would not sit still for a Hitler, but neither would I rush to war against a lame Saddam. He was not the same level of threat as the blitzkreig rollong across Poland.
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Post by bibster on Oct 22, 2004 15:24:42 GMT -5
C'mon. we all know it's a fear tactic by the Dems. They're hate mongers who are spreading lies. Look who supports Kerry:
Libya, Syria, Yasser Arofat, communist party of America, and the socialist party of America.
Nice and trustworthy list.
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Post by scummybear on Oct 22, 2004 16:36:03 GMT -5
Despite denials, many people believe the US is thinking about a new military draft. A recent Wall Stree Journal report indicates there is a major slump in military recruiting efforts. Young people do not want to go to war. Those already in the military and the National Guard are protesting forced extensions of their tours of duty in Iraq. This is what Kerry called "the back door draft." Source: Christopher Cooper. Wall Street Journal. Wrong again propaganda boy! The new draft issue introduced by Earnest Hollings, (D)- S.C. and Charles Schumer, (D)- NY in 2003. These bills were killed, but Bush is now getting this latest steaming pile heaped upon him by the desperate dems, who are saying anything to win the election. As a result, their assertions look foolish (like your posts), to anyone with a half a brain. |
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Post by scummybear on Oct 22, 2004 16:40:45 GMT -5
This is the only accurate statement you've made to date.
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Post by UncleVinny on Oct 22, 2004 16:47:26 GMT -5
www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articles/2004/10/22/religious_leaders_ahead_in_iraq_poll/WASHINGTON -- Leaders of Iraq's religious parties have emerged as the country's most popular politicians and would win the largest share of votes if an election were held today, while the US-backed government of interim Prime Minister Iyad Allawi is losing serious ground, according to a US-financed poll by the International Republican Institute. More than 45 percent of Iraqis surveyed also said they think their country is heading in the wrong direction, and 41 percent said it is moving in the right direction. Within the Bush administration, a victory by Iraq's religious parties is viewed as the worst-case scenario.  So, 1000 American deaths, so they can return to feudal religious leader rule. TRULY NOW, was it worth it? Is this the smart thing for a president to get us into? What a colossal mistake!
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Post by scrap on Oct 22, 2004 17:17:42 GMT -5
U.V.
You are absolutely correct....about the personal attacks only.
Let's assume for a moment that the intell.
had been correct.
Had he used the weapons or passed them on to another terrorist, the end result would be the same.
Sadam sending bio weapons in this day and age can be compared to Hitler tromping across Poland very easily.
He already had a track record against the Kurds, not to mention all the mass graves found.
Still you seem to think we did the wrong thing.
A democracy in the middle east what a pipe dream huh??
Can you imagine the future of the entire area if we can help to get one started.
You remember the quote "ONE SMALL STEP FOR MAN ONE GIANT LEAP FOR MANKIND"
I'm a Veteran and proud to have served my country.
I don't take the rights afforded me by a democracy lightly. This forum is but a small example.
I can only hope BY GOD (wait a minute am I allowed to say that)
I'll quit before I get carried away.
Wow..... politics and religon in the same sentence, can you imagine
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