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Post by Liberal NonIdiot on May 18, 2004 17:06:47 GMT -5
It seems to me that you people have idealized the zygote/embryo as a pure, innocent, wonderful littlle child and the mother as a filthy scumbag, when you don't know that at all. How do YOU know that life begins at conception? I don't think God puts souls inside zygotes the moment the sperm and the egg join together. I don't think you people even know what actually happens at conception, you think abortion is killing a fetus when all it is is removing a diploid cell or group of diploid cels (embryo). I understand that a zygote is a potential child, but is it not a child. Arguing against the removal of a zygote or embryo is like saying a woman should get pregnant every month because if she doesn't, that poor little egg will never get fertilized and become a child, so she's killing a child!
It's not your choice.
And how come you never talk about the male partner? I mean, the pregnant individual didn't get pregnant by herself!
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Post by MO on May 18, 2004 17:20:26 GMT -5
Do you know that it's not? Why don't we let the wrecking ball knock down the building before anyone checks to make sure no one is inside? Medical science has proved that life begins at conception. Unfortunately, there are evil humans among us that dodge the consequences of their own behavior to the point of murder, if necessary, and that includes men. Your comparison of the unborn to an unfertilized egg is too silly to comment on.  |
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Post by rhettroelectro on Aug 29, 2004 22:40:15 GMT -5
What a woman decides to do with her own body, ovaries, and fetuses is her own business, period.
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Post by scummybear on Sept 9, 2004 9:40:51 GMT -5
This may be a different topic, but I think it applies here, especially when talking about human life.
Its seems clear to me that those who push God's name around like a chess piece in a game of debate, really don't know God. They only seem to pretend to, for argument's sake
So, you "don't think God puts souls inside zygotes" . . .
Suddenly, souls are appointed at a time so desired by the elitist, self-centered, secular liberals such as yourself.
Maybe you need to go find out what happened to your soul, Mr. Science.
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Post by TwelvesMaster on Sept 9, 2004 20:17:24 GMT -5
It seems to me that you people have idealized the zygote/embryo as a pure, innocent, wonderful littlle child and the mother as a filthy scumbag, when you don't know that at all. How do YOU know that life begins at conception? I don't think God puts souls inside zygotes the moment the sperm and the egg join together. I don't think you people even know what actually happens at conception, you think abortion is killing a fetus when all it is is removing a diploid cell or group of diploid cels (embryo). I understand that a zygote is a potential child, but is it not a child. Arguing against the removal of a zygote or embryo is like saying a woman should get pregnant every month because if she doesn't, that poor little egg will never get fertilized and become a child, so she's killing a child! It's not your choice. And how come you never talk about the male partner? I mean, the pregnant individual didn't get pregnant by herself! For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be. Psalm 139:13-16 If you believe the Bible, this sounds like a fully functioning human being to me -- fully equiped with a soul.  P.S. -- Hi! My first post! |
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Post by MO on Sept 9, 2004 21:35:13 GMT -5
Welcome to the board, Twelves Master!  |
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Post by Ian on Sept 10, 2004 10:44:45 GMT -5
So when do You decide that a zygote becomes a child?
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Post by TNRighty on Sept 10, 2004 21:28:19 GMT -5
I'm not going to get into the Biblical interpretation of what defines the creation of life. That gets us nowhere. I'm just sick of these people talking about "choice" and a woman's right to do with her body what she wants. Would irresponsible sex not fall under that category? At some point and time you have to live with the choices you make. If you don't want a child, or don't have the resources to raise and care for a child, don't get pregnant. Therein lies your power to chose and do with your body what you please.
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Post by Evergreen1 on Sept 14, 2004 10:09:23 GMT -5
Duh... no one aborts a zygote or aborts at the moment of conception! - Instead of banning abortion, a woman should have to see her baby on an ultrasound screen and hear the heartbeat - if she STILL wants to abort, well then she could probably kill her already born child. But I'd say that would decrease the instance of abortion by 99%. There'd be no laws against it, only women getting the facts before the act is committed.
And it is NOT her body! It's another body WITHIN her body. A baby inside the mother has a different tissue type, different DNA and many times a different BLOOD type! how can that be a part of the woman's body?
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Post by colehartt on Sept 23, 2004 22:55:55 GMT -5
If as you say "abortion is a right", it was given by lawmakers. If they (lawmakers) made a law that allowed others to do things to you that you didn't agree with, yet some would say it is their "right", how would you feel about that?
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Post by groucho on Oct 31, 2004 5:27:21 GMT -5
It seems to me that you people have idealized the zygote/embryo as a pure, innocent, wonderful littlle child Well, if the MOTHER won't, and the child can't, what CHOICE is there? How don't we know this? Is the abortion-intending female looking at any other consideration (like say, HER BABY), other than her own selfishness? Scum is, as scum does...... Stupid me - I've always thought that all aspects of our existence (and the cosmos as a whole) had a point of origin.........Once upon a time - dig? Right you are!!! He puts the soul in the DNA....... And you do? Any detailed first-hand memories you'd be willing to share with us?? Thought so. Once again, life is contaned within the DNA - to further the line of reasoning, DNA is the TRUE conception of life - it is always present within us; how we handle (or abuse) it is our own choice to make. Thus, you have no problems with throwing away POTENTIAL. Enlightened thinking, that........right in lockstep with feeding the homless yourself maybe 2 days out of 365 (just so you can claim charity, on your taxes). In other words, truest liberal fallacy, for all the WWW.orld to see........ Use a bit of logic, please!!! It may take 1 sperm and one egg to create another life, but egg and sperm production ALWAYS produce more "leftovers" than viable lives. Call it a natural restriction of over-production, or God's way of ZPG*. Legislated WELL before our time, BTW. But it IS yours? Such arrogance!!! "Male partner" invokes images of a gay lifestyle, which is hardly able to produce offspring by natural means. Babies happen NATURALLY. So what you're saying is that it's okay for the female gender to be the sole arbiter of the product of procreation, and yet you expect the co-perpetuator to happily care for you, no matter what? Such hypocrisy never fails to stun me - women demand "equal pay for equal work," yet the final outcome of a clearly joint effort ideally results in the forced elimination of half of the contributing factors? I'm game - thanks to you lot, all sex is rape, anyway!! You can't have it both ways - a mother's resposibility to her offspring is the true price she pays. Ignorance of this very fact helped to CONCEIVE Roe Vs. Wade, and MURDER millions of lives, BY LAW after all!! Osama doesn't hold a candle to Molly Yard, in my jaded opinion...........Think about that, the next time you hear about "women and children killed in battle" - and how precious the "privilege" is that enables us to ignore the horror of our own LAWS...........  * - ZPG = Zero Population Growth |
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Post by KKSlyder on Nov 4, 2004 17:55:58 GMT -5
First off, I boldly applaud Twelves Master. Great work. Second I want to say if you believe in the bible then this also is something to ansewer " Its is the womans body, she can do what she wants" . Well, they are Gods. Not yours, " Behold, children are the heritagefrom the Lord, the Fruit of the Whom is a reward." Psalms 127:3. They are the Lords, not yours. And you are throwing away your reward. That is all for now.
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Post by Cheneysmyhero on Nov 8, 2004 18:58:47 GMT -5
What a woman decides to do with her own body, ovaries, and fetuses is her own business, period. And who are we to keep Satan out of the decision |
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Post by ProChildren on Nov 9, 2004 17:39:08 GMT -5
First off, I boldly applaud Twelves Master. Great work. Second I want to say if you believe in the bible then this also is something to ansewer " Its is the womans body, she can do what she wants" . Well, they are Gods. Not yours, " Behold, children are the heritagefrom the Lord, the Fruit of the Whom is a reward." Psalms 127:3. They are the Lords, not yours. And you are throwing away your reward. That is all for now. Even when it involves killing another person  |
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Post by ImNotBenny on Nov 9, 2004 18:18:36 GMT -5
To Anyone Who Is Anti-Abortion:
Have you seen the freakin kids nowadays?? Do we really need more of these unwanted, TV-raised, half-retarded, MTV-thug-life-wannabe punks running around the streets?? If their mother is someone who would kill them, what are the odds they'll grow up in a loving home to be good citizens later in life?? I SAY ZERO-Fing-CHANCE...let 'em die...
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