ABORTION

[remedios]

"Death solves all problems - no man, no problem." -Josef Stalin

Oh yes, abortion is an indictment of man. I make no bones about that. But if you think for one minute that women are going to lie back down and be the whipping boy of the world again while men continue on with THEIR self-serving ways, you've got another think coming. You've taught far too well for that.

Maybe if more men put their money where their mouths are and shared the burden of childbearing, women would actually buy the excuse about how important a job it is. As long as we see that we're the only one willing to carry it, we'll simply prevent the burden from occuring.

[Ian]

Guest-remedios said:

Oh yes, abortion is an indictment of man. I make no bones about that. But if you think for one minute that women are going to lie back down and be the whipping boy of the world again while men continue on with THEIR self-serving ways, you've got another think coming. You've taught far too well for that.

Maybe if more men put their money where their mouths are and shared the burden of childbearing, women would actually buy the excuse about how important a job it is. As long as we see that we're the only one willing to carry it, we'll simply prevent the burden from occuring.

Well if the women you speak of weren't so dumb, they would know the risks of screwing around and getting knocked up. You want a fool proof birth that is financialy taken care of? Wait till you're married to have a baby and then you are entitled child support. It's not all the big, bad man's fault. You take risks, you take care of them.

Because you get pregnant and you "baby's father" runs on you, shouldn't give you the right to kill your baby. If you can't take care of them, put them up for adoption. There is absolutly no financial argument to this issue.

[remedios]

Well if the women you speak of weren't so dumb, they would know the risks of screwing around and getting knocked up.

Actually, this discussion is about women deciding not to have children at all, the means towards which abortion is only ONE of. Many women are electing to remain childless. Some of them accomplish that through abstinence, some through birth control alone, and others through abortion.

You want a fool proof birth that is financialy taken care of? Wait till you're married to have a baby and then you are entitled child support.

Actually, these women want to REMAIN CHILDLESS. Incidentally, however, ignorant bigots like you perpetuate ideas about childrearing that make it such that one need not even get married to obtain child support.

It's not all the big, bad man's fault. You take risks, you take care of them.

And I argue that you should keep on making that stupid point, and see just how many women want to have your stupid babies.

[Ian]

You don't want kids choose abstinance. Don't have your cake and eat it too. Calling me a bigot because I'm upset with your lame excuses for your Third Reich ideas is cowardly, ignorant, and pathetic.

Abortion stops the growth process. To my knowladge, anything that grows must have the prescence of life, so by stoping growth you must kill. Abortion is murder there is no excuse for it.

This idea that because a birth is an "inconvenience" that excuses baby-killing is absurd.

I have a feeling by your man-hater view, that you are probably a lesbian, like so many others in the pro-choice world, and really have no place discussing hetero-sexual topics.

[Ian]

And I argue that you should keep on making that stupid point, and see just how many women want to have your stupid babies.

And it seems to me that you don't want to have anyones "stupid babys".

Believe me anyone with a sense of the dignity of life and a respect for the institution of marriage (and not the actions of a dog in heat) are willing to have pro-lifers babys. (Look at any Catholic family genius )

[Ted]

Lol. . .roll out the red carpet, we have a brilliant intellectual here who can teach us the wisdom of halting the continuation of humanity. I'm sorry, remind me again, who will be financing your social security?

[Ian]

Now stopping the growth of old Nazis like remedios I can understand, but babys? come on.

[remedios]

Abortion stops the growth process. To my knowladge, anything that grows must have the prescence of life, so by stoping growth you must kill.

So you have a problem with killing in general?

Abortion is murder there is no excuse for it.

So are capital punishment and fighting wars. I suppose you're opposed to those as well? You're right about the Catholics: they are the only consistent bunch amongst you religious fanatics.

This idea that because a birth is an "inconvenience" that excuses baby-killing is absurd.

No more so than that we should be able to kill people because they've killed others, or because their government is doing something that our government doesn't like.

You can't argue that you want to "create a culture of life," and then turn around and advocate violence or murder as punishment.

I have a feeling by your man-hater view, that you are probably a lesbian, like so many others in the pro-choice world, and really have no place discussing hetero-sexual topics.

And I have a feeling from your woman-hating view, that you have an I.Q. of 100.

[Ian]

The state has a compelling interest in the execution of felons and the defense of the country. The killing of the guilty and the killing of the innocent are two entirely different manners. Duh.

You can't argue that you want to "create a culture of life," and then turn around and advocate violence or murder as punishment

Who said anything about my stance on capital punishment? If we could abolish abortion but we had to also abolish capital punishment, I would take that trade in a heartbeat, and so would any other Christian Church. It's becoming more and more apparent that you have no idea what you're talking about.

And I have a feeling from your woman-hating view, that you have an I.Q. of 100.

Oh! Wow! the I.Q insult. By that display of immaturity I can see that your insult would probably be taken as a compliment by you.

Again a display of your ignorance. My mother is a woman, my sister is a woman, my aunts are women, my girlfriend is a woman. On the contrary, I don't hate women, I hate feminists who have no idea of the isuues they discuss. I hate ignorance. I hate baby-killers.

[remedios]

The state has a compelling interest in the execution of felons and the defense of the country. The killing of the guilty and the killing of the innocent are two entirely different manners. Duh.

Funny, God didn't make that point when he gave Moses his law. I believe he said rather unequivocally "THOU SHALT NOT KILL."

Oh! Wow! the I.Q insult. By that display of immaturity I can see that your insult would probably be taken as a compliment by you.

Again a display of your ignorance

Actually, a display of what you get when YOU decide to insult me.

[Ian]

So God wasn't for self-defense? Interesting.

Actually, a display of what you get when YOU decide to insult me

Yet again misinterpreting the obvious. I was scoffing your rather pathetic attempt at cutting wit.

[remedios]

So God wasn't for self-defense? Interesting.

Explain to me how capital punishment is "self-defense." That's right, how is killing someone who's already securely in jail "self-defense?" Then explain to me how the war in Iraq was "self-defense," and if you say anything about WMDs, I'm going to laugh you off the board. Saddam Hussein was only a threat to his own people. He was an impoverished, weinie leader of a crippled regime. How about Kosovo. How was that self-defense? Afghanistan wasn't even self-defense, as anyone with half a brain could tell you that the imminent threat to the safety of the American people was over once the towers fell. So why'd all those Afghani civilians have to die?

Yet again misinterpreting the obvious. I was scoffing your rather pathetic attempt at cutting wit.

When you write a coherent argument, I'll reply.

[Ian]

Explain to me how capital punishment is "self-defense." That's right, how is killing someone who's already securely in jail "self-defense?" Then explain to me how the war in Iraq was "self-defense," and if you say anything about WMDs, I'm going to laugh you off the board. Saddam Hussein was only a threat to his own people. He was an impoverished, weinie leader of a crippled regime. How about Kosovo. How was that self-defense? Afghanistan wasn't even self-defense, as anyone with half a brain could tell you that the imminent threat to the safety of the American people was over once the towers fell. So why'd all those Afghani civilians have to die?

Yet again you're putting words in my mouth. I wasn't for the war in Iraq, and you couldn't laugh me off this board on your best day, Kosovo was an half effort of your king Clinton which I wasn't for, and anyone with half a brain could see that you're lacking even half. Are you seriously saying that there was no threat to the US after 9/11? Are you kidding me? We have foiled several plots of terror against the US since 9/11 (Robert Reed comes to the mind of anyone who pays attention to the news.). Civilians are going to get killed even if you're defending yourself.

My position on capital punishment is more of why not kill convicts if it's okay to kill babys? If I made it sound like I believed capital punishment was self-defense I apologize.

Quote:Yet again misinterpreting the obvious. I was scoffing your rather pathetic attempt at cutting wit.



When you write a coherent argument, I'll reply.

My point, since you obviously need things spelled out, was that your IQ comeback was laughable since it demonstrated an immature mind, not that it was intimadating.

[Ender312]

Hey I have an iq of 65 ! Yeeeaaaahhh for me!

Guest-remedios said:

And the meaning of life is also to die. No other animal on the planet breeds indiscriminately. Heck, even rabbits will terminate a pregnancy if resources are scarce, and they are notorious baby-making machines.

Remedios I believe you quoted me twice this is one of them. Before I get to this one let me say that you picked out two things in my argument that could be easily refuted. You skipped a few big points . (now do i have everyone's attention?)

I'm not going to get into semantics with anyone about life or death, but death is the end of life, im glad you now have power over who lives and who dies. Rabbits: the cute fuzzy little things known for overpopulation will terminate a pregnancy if resources are scarce. True but I believe that in most adoption facilities resources are plentiful.

Now back to my other point. Abortion kills. If you believe you cannot afford to take care of a child or other such issue arises, get rid of the problem. Tell me whats the difference between killing a child (or for those who will argue: a living thing) and killing a 30 year old man. Really. The only difference is that the man was given time to develop. That living thing had the same potential as the man, it was not given the time to fulfill that potential.

If abortion is supported, are the supporters willing to die? Who knows, you could have been that child that a family couldn't support. Would you rather have been killed before you were born, or put up for adoption so you could live the life you have today?

[Ian]

I don't know whether remedios has kids, but I'm sure remedios and others like her wouldn't appreciate when they have strokes and are staring at the wall in a nursing home "taking up space" if her kids figured they didn't have the resources and she was a burden and blew her brains out. But they don't like talking about when the shoe is on the other foot.