Islam's violent core

[rush22]

Castigating somebody on the internet who verbalizes genocide but never does it is entirely different from stating that you have no problem with somebody championing an ideology that actually resulted in over 50 million deaths in the 20th century.

Right. One is a crime, the other is not.

People can say "I'm a Nazi" all they want, or "You're a Nazi" all they want, but they can't say "We should all be Nazis" or "We should exterminate the vermin that make up the Islamic culture." That's called hate propaganda.

I would have let it roll off my back had any of you shown objection to the statement, or maybe even if you had ignored it, but instead I found you encouraging and validating her statements. That's what set me off.

This is exactly why I found it absolutely astounding that rush22 would state he doesn't care about a lefty touting communism....right after ranting about the horrors of genocide

Communism is a political philosophy. Ideally it does not hurt anyone. The problem is it never works and officials get corrupt and start killing people. I don't think anyone who agrees with communism as a politically philosophy would like this to happen.

However, if they did, they would be misrepresenting communism as a totalitarian dictatorship, or Fascism. Nazism, basically a subset of Fascism, contains the ideology of a "master race." This involves genocide. Communism does not.

I do not think communism as a political stance is beneficial, nor do I think I would like it, however, ideally communism hurts noone.

"In Marxism, communism refers to an ideal stateless, propertyless, and classless society with no oppression or exploitation and general abundance and freedom. This society would run in accord with the principle: To each according to their needs, from each according to their ability." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

I already stated the quote was objectionable.

Thank you for clearing that up. I assumed you were referencing my feelings on the matter.

Review the thread. Who is posting in all caps and posting expletives? Proof is in the posting

Well excuse me for getting angry when someone spouts out hate propaganda and noone here lifts a finger. In fact, I remember you saying "It's not whining, It's the truth." It wasn't so objectionable then, was it?

[rush22]

It's hard to ignore the evidence, however, of violence that tends to spring forth from some sectors of Islam.

I wouldn't agree with that characterization. I don't think 'sectors' is appropriate. It's like calling the Kach, an Israeli extremist organization (declared a terrorist organization by the Israeli government) a 'sector' of Judaism.

[swamper]

As Americans, we need to keep in mind that this new and growing menace will not be a temporary phenom. This Islamo-fascism will be here long after all us blow-hards on this forum are gone. The only things these terrorists understand is brute force. Negotiating with them is parcelling up some of our freedoms and giving them away.

Bingo! You're absolutely right.

That reminds me. What's this BS Kerry was spouting a few weeks ago about being more sensitive in our war on terrorism?

More sensitive? what the heck does that have to do with it? Obviously Kerry was implying that Bush is insensitive.

Although Kerry's sensitivity comment is fairly obvious BS, it is slightly more subtle than the bald faced lies the Fat Stupid White Man (Michael Moore) perpetrated in Fahrenheit 9/11. Even liberal news anchor, Tom Brokaw said that Moore took a lot of liberties with the facts. Anyone that believes Michael Moore's crap should be ashamed of themselves.

SR

[swamper]

"In Marxism, communism refers to an ideal stateless, propertyless, and classless society with no oppression or exploitation and general abundance and freedom. This society would run in accord with the principle: To each according to their needs, from each according to their ability."

So, rush, tell me. What does Wikipedia say about the "dictatorship of the proletariat"?

Karl Marx was apparently an idiot. He predicted that Communist revolutions would first take place in industrialized societies, specifically England and the United States. In fact there never was a successful Communist revolution in any industrialized economy, only in agrarian ones. Those industrialized, or semi-industrialized countries in Eastern Europe that became Communist states actually had Communism forced on them by the Soviet Union.

swamper

[rush22]

So, rush, tell me. What does Wikipedia say about the "dictatorship of the proletariat"?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictatorship_of_the_proletariat

[Matter]

rush22 said:

Right. One is a crime, the other is not.

The other difference? 50 million + dead people. Not an issue to you, I'm guessing. Crime or no crime.... you ought to have some outrage with the communisim = genocide equation.

I would have let it roll off my back had any of you shown objection to the statement, or maybe even if you had ignored it, but instead I found you encouraging and validating her statements. That's what set me off.

I validated her sentiment that action must be taken. I don't approve of genocide. Let's be clear about that.

How about this: Try asking for clarification next time before you make a mass assumption? I always ask when I'm not clear. You might do the same.

Communism is a political philosophy. Ideally it does not hurt anyone. The problem is it never works and officials get corrupt and start killing people. I don't think anyone who agrees with communism as a politically philosophy would like this to happen.

Right. Meanwhile back in the real world....people get slaughtered under communistic regimes. It really happens and continues to happen. It's the real world. You still don't care, I'm guessing?

Nazism, basically a subset of Fascism, contains the ideology of a "master race." This involves genocide. Communism does not.

I don't really give a damn if they commit genocide in the name of mashed potatoes...it's still genocide. Get it? Communism = genocide. You still don't care, I'm guessing.

I do not think communism as a political stance is beneficial, nor do I think I would like it, however, ideally communism hurts noone.

Meanwhile, back on earth, people died by the millions under communism. Have I made that fact clear, yet?

"In Marxism, communism refers to an ideal stateless, propertyless, and classless society with no oppression or exploitation and general abundance and freedom. This society would run in accord with the principle: To each according to their needs, from each according to their ability." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

Yet, it never happens that way. We always get genocide. You see a pattern here?

Thank you for clearing that up. I assumed you were referencing my feelings on the matter.

You know what they say about assuming.......

Well excuse me for getting angry when someone spouts out hate propaganda and noone here lifts a finger.

I assumed she was referencing the terrorists. I still stand by the sentiment that the terrorists should be dealt with harshly..... and I'm not talking about cussing, either.

In fact, I remember you saying "It's not whining, It's the truth." It wasn't so objectionable then, was it?

Extermination of masses of civilians? Unthinkable and morally wrong. Period.

Killing those who commit terrorism and seek to kill me and my children? How soon can we make it happen?

That ought to clear up my feelings.

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rush22 said:

I wouldn't agree with that characterization. I don't think 'sectors' is appropriate. It's like calling the Kach, an Israeli extremist organization (declared a terrorist organization by the Israeli government) a 'sector' of Judaism.

Now you have me confused on your logic.

If a group promotes it's agenda utilizing tenets of a particular religion... it's not part of that religion? The fundamental extremists use *ahem* broad interpretations of the Koran to promote their violence.

I beg to differ... and the evidence suggests that these terrorists are a part of Islam. Period.

[TNRighty]

I'm tired of this "Communism is this, Nazism is that, you're a Nazi, you're a Marxist" crap. It doesn't matter. They both failed miserably. Both ideologies were defeated soundly by the individual liberty and capitalist economy of the United States of America. We were right; they were wrong, period. History is on our side.

I'll assume there's noone on this forum (conservative or liberal) who would proudly declare themselves a Nazi. Nazism will forever be linked to the attempted extermination of the Jewish religion. That's the stigma you're attempting to attach to someone when you call them a Nazi, and thats rediculous. I seriously doubt anyone here wants to see any such cultural/religious/racial cleansing on that scale again. So quit insulting each other with this, "you're a Nazi" garbage.

We can debate the economic policies of the Nazi party separately from the social genocide policies of the Nazi party. Economically, they were socialists. Economically, Communism was socialist also. Instead of calling each other Nazis and Communists, we need to pay attention to history and take notice of the people and politicians who digress into these socialist policies and try to push it on America. Have you ever noticed that the people today who push socialist policies have never lived in a truly socialist society? When the Berlin Wall came down, were people trying to climb over into East Berlin? No! How many Americans have you seen cross the Atlantic in a Kayak to get to Cuba?

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swamper said:

Bingo! You're absolutely right.

That reminds me. What's this BS Kerry was spouting a few weeks ago about being more sensitive in our war on terrorism?

More sensitive? what the heck does that have to do with it? Obviously Kerry was implying that Bush is insensitive.

SR

I'm guessing he's wanting sensitivity training for some anti-terrorism tactics. I don't have the foggiest idea what the hell he's talking about.

'More sensitive'? Fighting terrorism? Give me a break.

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TNRighty said:

So quit insulting each other with this, "you're a Nazi" garbage.

I agree.

We can debate the economic policies of the Nazi party separately from the social genocide policies of the Nazi party. Economically, they were socialists. Economically, Communism was socialist also.

Both had high degree of gov't control over society and economy. They really weren't that much different from each other. They had far more similarities than differences.

Have you ever noticed that the people today who push socialist policies have never lived in a truly socialist society?

Yep, sure have.

[rush22]

Matter.

You introduced a change of subject to purposefully distract from what I felt was the matter at hand in an attempt to force me to defend my views, values, and motivations instead of dealing with the issue. That is a disgraceful form of debate and I can only conclude that you did so because you realized you made a mistake defending someone who is promoting hate propaganda in these forums by suggesting the wilful genocide of a culture and religion.

My motivations for bringing this matter up have no bearing upon joanie's comments. To suggest otherwise is intellectual dishonesty.

If you would like to continue to discuss your stereotypes or speculate on my character and intelligence please do so without me.

[MO]

[rush22]

MO. I find joanie42's comments offensive. Please delete them from the thread. I also believe not deleting them violates this website's Terms of Service.

joanie42 said "I am afraid that this evil force has no intention of coming out of the dark ages. The only solution is to exterminate them as the vermin they are." where 'evil force' was a reference to Muslim culture.

If you do not delete them I will report this violation of your terms of service to ProBoards, who will no doubt take action regarding my complaint.

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[Peanut]

Edited for personal attack!

[MO]

Peanut- Poke fun of what innocent child? Are you drinking bong water again? I'm only going to tell you this one more time. Put it in a pm if you have a personal problem or you will be banned, like I'm about to do to your freak buddy.

Rush- That is the last time you will make threats because you misinterpret someone's words.