R.I.P

[MO]

President Ronald Reagan
1911- 2004

[MO]

"The house we hope to build is not for my generation but for yours. It is your future that matters. And I hope that when you are my age, you will be able to say as I have been able to say: We lived in freedom. We lived lives that were a statement, not an apology."

[scummybear]

www.ronaldreaganmemorial.com

[frankiegoestostoke]

www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1232747,00.html

[MO]

This is a memorial thread.

YOU are a tasteless asshat! Even the rabid liberals on the other board I moderate have enough class to keep their mouths shut or say something respectful.

Keep your guardian filth on the other side of the pond.

[scummybear]

I'm not sure why you posted this ridiculous site on this thread. It's disrespectful to say the least, and only displays the continuing pathetic attempts to erase the legacy of the man and his acheivements. Who is this creep that wrote it, and why should we care? Looks like he had an axe to grind to be sure. Liberals simply hated his success because he proved that a nation can have peace, prosperity, and pride without compromise. He dispelled the belief of the left, that people had no will of their own, and that we should capitulate to those who would threaten our freedom, and our lives. No matter what kind of garbage you come up with, you can't argue that he didn't make the world a better place during his time in office and for the future. I won't even argue with you about the great things that he did for this country, because his accomplishments go without saying. This is more hate America crap. I don't know what your trying to accomplish by posting this, but you've certainly shown your backside by doing it. Go somewhere else if all you want to do be disrespectful.

[frankiegoestostoke]

e dispelled the belief of the left, that people had no will of their own

Since when has this ever been a belief of the left?? stop putting words into the mouth of the left wing ideology.

[scummybear]

Fallula University!

[TNRighty]

Frankie,

That was the most dispicable display I have ever seen. If you didn't like Ronnie, fine. That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But at least have the spine to say it yourself rather than linking us to an article written by some liberal crackpot. Don't let someone else fight your battles for you. Tell us personally why you didn't like Reagan. Do it respectfully, and you'll get a respectful response, but that was just tasteless and gutless. For someone who represents the side of "tolerance", "open-mindedness, and "acceptance", that was utterly disgusting. That's quite sobering coming from someone living in a country that's supposed to be our only true ally. Were it not for the foresight and strength of leaders like Reagan, Churchill, and Roosevelt, you might be speaking a different language right now. Just remember this, if Great Britain were invaded by a foreign country or attacked by terrorists tomorrow, who do you think would be the first person to come to your defense? It would be George Bush and the USA. We are the only country in the world that would defend your right to talk so blasphemously about us. Think about that for a minute? We know what freedom is. Right now you are expressing your freedom to be a complete idiot, and WE will always defend it. If you lived in Iraq under Saddam Hussein and said something like that, you'd be killed, or at least raped and tortured to within an inch of your life. The freedom of man (and even ignorant men) in this world owe as much to Ronald Reagan as any leader in history. Defining times create defining individuals. History has shown us that time and again. Reagan knew history, and he knew his role in history as it was unfolding at his feet. That is very rare. God bless him, and God bless his legacy. May we not forget his perspective and the lessons he taught us.

[frankiegoestostoke]

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But at least have the spine to say it yourself rather than linking us to an article written by some liberal crackpot

I thought the article summed up all the arguments not to revere Raegon quite nicely. I was very short of time when I posted that (I had a politics exam in half an hour), so I thought I would let the article speak for itself. When I wrote a post about Euthenasia Scummybear responded with a single link to an article, I'm assuming you think thats wrong as well right?

Were it not for the foresight and strength of leaders like Reagan

But seeing as I'm here. How is exactly is Raegon responsible for me not speaking another langauge (and by that I assume you mean Russian). The USSR would have fallen apart under any American leader, it just happened to be him who was in office at the time.

We are the only country in the world that would defend your right to talk so blasphemously about us.

Stop being so arrogant to presume America is the soul provider of "freedom" to the planet. The above statement shows a heavy misunderstanding of British politics. I have the right to say what I like because of the European Convention of Human Rights, which was incorperated into British law in 1998, under the socialist Labour Party.

The European Union plays a much greater role in British foreign policy, and British defence than America ever has.

We know what freedom is

And everyone else in the entire planet doesn't?

My final point about Raegon is this. Raegon was always incredibly close the British Prime Minister of the time, you may or may not have heard of her, Margaret Thatcher. This I can never forgive.

Margaret Thatcher ruined Britian. She ruined transportation through privatising the rail service. It has never recovered. She destroyed the Civil Service through privatising it, it has never recoverred. Under her watch unemployment rose to over three million. Even conservatives today are trying to disown her, but Britian has learnt its lessson and the conservative party are not likely to see power again for another decade.

Raegon's closeness to Thatcher, and their ideological similitudes, are things that I can never forgive.

[MO]

Even Gorbachov acknowledged in a quote that Reagan was instrumental in the fall of communism and the end of the cold war. It's just the lefty nuts that don't get it. Nothing wrong with responding to a post with a link. But having the grace to wait until the man is at least in the ground before you start to bash him is the classy thing to do.

[lordjulius7]

"The above statement shows a heavy misunderstanding of British politics. I have the right to say what I like because of the European Convention of Human Rights, which was incorperated into British law in 1998, under the socialist Labour Party. "

That's uttely wrong as it presupposes that we didn't have freedom of speech before 1998, which we self-evidently did. In fact, freedom of speech has become more restricted under this current government - to wit, laws on religious hatred, the imperial weights and measures act, the proposed EU arrest warrant.

"The European Union plays a much greater role in British foreign policy, and British defence than America ever has. "

Not so. Foreign policy wise, events involving Iraq disprove that theory. In terms of defence, you're having a laugh, surely? Of the rest of the EU, only France has any sort of army to compare to the British army, and there is no reason whatsoever to believe they would use it to help us. If we were under attack and were unable to defend ourselves ( or, more likely, wanted to do so without using our nuclear arsenal ), then the USA is both the most effective and most likely source of help.
Yes, I too get irritated when Americans claim that they won WWII single handed or otherwise "Saved our asses". But going the other way and denying that the US has any significant role in British or european security is even more puerile.

"Margaret Thatcher ruined Britian."

Oh, really? In 1979 Britain was the economic basket case of northern europe. Today, we are the fourth largest economy in the world. In 1979, we had the highest inflation and worst productivity. Today we have the lowest inflatioon and best productivity amongst major european nations.

"She ruined transportation through privatising the rail service. It has never recovered."

Margaret Thatcher didn't privatise the railways, John Major did. Which shows what you know about all this. Incidentally, public owned BR had a worse safety record and an only slightly better punctuality record than the private service. Ruined, my arse.

"She destroyed the Civil Service through privatising it, it has never recoverred"

The civil service has not been privatised. You clearly have no clue what you are talking about.

[scummybear]

frankiegoestostoke said:

I thought the article summed up all the arguments not to revere Raegon quite nicely. I was very short of time when I posted that (I had a politics exam in half an hour), so I thought I would let the article speak for itself. When I wrote a post about Euthenasia Scummybear responded with a single link to an article, I'm assuming you think thats wrong as well right?

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This wasn,t meant to be a thread for you to throw a bashing article at. I posted the euthanasia link (which I doubt that you read fully) in response to your question, remember, "Yay or nay"? No one asked for an opinion on this particular thread. But you spitefully ignored this. You attack, but are suprised when it is countered. You act as if your opinion is the only one that matters, as evidenced by your propensity to dismiss anything that is said in response.
As MO said earlier, there are people on other boards who at least have respect for someone's passing. Why can't you do that?

[scummybear]

lordjulius7 said:

Yes, I too get irritated when Americans claim that they won WWII single handed or otherwise "Saved our asses". But going the other way and denying that the US has any significant role in British or european security is even more puerile.

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I certainly understand that we (U.S.) were not alone in the victory of WWII, and I know that there are a great number of Americans as well as other countries who are grateful for your service.

[frankiegoestostoke]

That's uttely wrong as it presupposes that we didn't have freedom of speech before 1998, which we self-evidently did

You are putting words into my mouth here. I meant legally. Do you seriously not think the European Convention on Human rights has been less influential than the existance of America when it comes to Human rights legislation? (post the second world war I mean).

Oh, really? In 1979 Britain was the economic basket case of northern europe. Today, we are the fourth largest economy in the world

But at what price? Massive unemployment and misery thats what!

we had the highest inflation and worst productivity. Today we have the lowest inflatioon and best productivity amongst major european nations.

Much of this, of course, is thanks to Gordon.

Margaret Thatcher didn't privatise the railways, John Major did.

He was following a similar ideological line laid down by Thatcher. If Thatcher hadn't privatised everything but the NHS before then, then Major would never have privatised the railways.

The civil service has not been privatised.

Au contraire. The civil service was downsized into Next Step agencies under Thatcher, many of these were later privatised.

Futhermore Thatcher heavily centralised government, and refused to even consider issuing a devolution plan, despite the fact her far reaching policies were effecting Scotland and Wales, who only returned a handfull of Conservative MPs?

Who are you going to vote for tommorrow out of curiosity? (Please don't say UKIP).

And do you know of any British political webboards, they all seem to be American?