Relief Fund for Vinny's Mental Rehabilitation

[Patriot]

Welcome to the Grand Lodge of the Relief Fund for Vinny's Mental Rehabilitation (RFVMR). Our goal is to provide humanitarian assistance, via rapid-response, to anything which hints of retardation on the part of Vinny. When his ignorance is raised in another thread, Lodge Members will not reply to him directly, but rather respond here. It is our objective to move as quickly as possible and to interrupt discussions, when necessary, with: "And now, a message from the Vinny Relief Fund".

Do you want to join the Grand Lodge? Do you have the humanitarian attributes essential for assisting the mentally retarded? Can you cite an instance of ignorance or bias on the part of this individual? Please state your case upon entering the thread. ;D

[UncleVinny]

Ohhh, Yummy!
A new forum with my name on it!

Thanks fellows.
I'll be the first to post.

There’s a story Ram Das used to tell of two Americans studying martial arts in Japan. The two Americans, being taller and more athletic than their Japanese counterparts, became the de facto champions of the class after a few years of study. The master continually taught the ideal of Oneness/Integration as a way of solving conflicts, and stressed the martial art was merely a way of protecting oneself should oneness/integration, or in Christian terms love & fellowship, fail in the short term.

One day the two students witnessed a big man, a drunk on the subway, pushing and cursing at people. He pushed down a little old lady. They students knew, this might be the time to put their martial arts training to work. They stood up at the end of the subway car as the drunk pushed his way towards them. Just before they came face to face, a little old man said to the drunk, “Hey, watcha drinking?” The drunk said “Saki. What is it to you!” The little man, ignoring the threat said, “Ah, saki; my wife and I sit drinking saki almost every evening as we watch the sun go down.” The bully then said, “I had a wife. She died.” Making a long story short, the old man got the bully to sit down and tell him about the loss of his wife.

My question: Who was it on that train exhibited the ideal of Oneness/Integration, or Love/Fellowship? Who was enlightened there?

So how does this apply to Iraq? What would an enlightened administration do? Perhaps look at what’s causing all the hatred and pain? Perhaps seeing what’s holding up the creation of a Palestinian state? Perhaps taking some action to distribute the massive wealth of the Saudi royal family to some of the citizens of that country? To ask what is it that generates so much anger that someone like Bin Laden can recruit thousands of suicide bombers? It takes a compassionate sense of brotherhood to even ask such questions. OR you could just go shoot the bully and perpetuate the problem. My contention is that an enlightened approach would view our ‘enemies’ as brothers, and would seek a way to defuse the hostility.

I am fortunate in having many brothers, and this does not mean that I give the checkbook to the brother who wastes his money, or give the keys to the car to the one who drives recklessly. But certainly I don’t go out and shoot the one who is the bully. I just limit his resources. I think that kind of approach would have prevented the war we now have, and would have addressed some of the concerns of people who we now call insurgents.


OK Folks, go ahead, and teach me the flaws in my logic.
Thanks again for the "Christmas Present"

[Patriot]

And now, a message from the Vinny Relief Fund. And boy, do we have a big example of ignorance here!!!


Vinny writes,


^{There’s a story Ram Das used to tell...}


For those unaware, Ram Das was a Sikh Guru (1534-1581), fourth in the line of the Ten Gurus of Sikhism. How does this relate to the stupidity of Vinny's story? Because his complete sentence reads,


^{There's a story Ram Das used to tell of two Americans studying martial arts in Japan.}


Oops! Big blunder there! America wasn't even a nation in 1581. The US was founded in 1776.


Then he asked,


^{So how does this apply to Iraq?}


The answer is that the story doesn't apply at all. It's not even a true story! How could Ram Das have told that story if America hadn't come into existence during his lifetime?


Vinny ends by saying,


^{OK Folks, go ahead, and teach me the flaws in my logic.}


For starters, you can begin with the assumption that only the truth counts.

[UncleVinny]

Reality Check:

Ram Das is a term applied to many Eastern students, as it means "Student of God" and hence applied not only to the guru mentioned but also to a peace activist popular in the 1960s, and 1970s - he's written about 100 books in the last few decades. "Carry Water, Chop Wood" or "Be here now." Any literate person would know him. Whoops, didn't mean to embarrass you there, Patriot.

[Patriot]

And now, a message from the Vinny Relief Fund. And boy, does this keep getting better!


Vinny now attempts to offer enlightenment about a certain author, purportedly the writer of a book entitled: "Carry Water, Chop Wood". One big problem, though. There is no such book! Not listed in the Library of Congress, at least. I guess that means they're all "illiterate", right Vinny? The truth is that he got the title backwards. What he meant to say was, "Chop Wood, Carry Water: A Guide to Finding Spiritual Fulfillment in Everyday Life". That's a book by Rick Fields.


The peace-activist he's referring to is Baba Ram Dass (2 "s"), a small but significant detail. Why is it significant? Because Ram Das (1 "s"), which Vinny originally spoke of as the teller of the story, was the 4th Guru of Sikkhism (16th century). Baba Ram Dass, on the other hand, is the other of "Be Here Now".


Sorry to embarass you there, Vinny. But actually, you're doing all the work yourself. ;D

[UncleVinny]

Oh, looks like I'm getting PLENTY of help there, Pat -
Thanks!!

Actually again, Baba Ram Dass used the ANCIENT expression by Wu Li, the full text of which is "Before enlightenment carry water, chop wood. After enlightenment, carry water, chop wood." Althought Wu Li was the orignail AUTHOR (<-- correct spelling, not 'other') like many great saying several people make books, lectures, essays based on the original thought. This occurs with Ram Dass too.

Actually there IS a book with that title, but it's not by Dass:
Chop Wood, Carry Water: A Guide to Finding Spiritual Fulfillment in Everyday Life -- by Rick Fields; Paperback
Buy new: $11.53

I'm ready for the next donation!

[Ian]

UncleVinny said:

Ohhh, Yummy!
A new forum with my name on it!

Thanks fellows.
I'll be the first to post.

There’s a story Ram Das used to tell of two Americans studying martial arts in Japan. The two Americans, being taller and more athletic than their Japanese counterparts, became the de facto champions of the class after a few years of study. The master continually taught the ideal of Oneness/Integration as a way of solving conflicts, and stressed the martial art was merely a way of protecting oneself should oneness/integration, or in Christian terms love & fellowship, fail in the short term.

One day the two students witnessed a big man, a drunk on the subway, pushing and cursing at people. He pushed down a little old lady. They students knew, this might be the time to put their martial arts training to work. They stood up at the end of the subway car as the drunk pushed his way towards them. Just before they came face to face, a little old man said to the drunk, “Hey, watcha drinking?” The drunk said “Saki. What is it to you!” The little man, ignoring the threat said, “Ah, saki; my wife and I sit drinking saki almost every evening as we watch the sun go down.” The bully then said, “I had a wife. She died.” Making a long story short, the old man got the bully to sit down and tell him about the loss of his wife.

My question: Who was it on that train exhibited the ideal of Oneness/Integration, or Love/Fellowship? Who was enlightened there?

So how does this apply to Iraq? What would an enlightened administration do? Perhaps look at what’s causing all the hatred and pain? Perhaps seeing what’s holding up the creation of a Palestinian state? Perhaps taking some action to distribute the massive wealth of the Saudi royal family to some of the citizens of that country? To ask what is it that generates so much anger that someone like Bin Laden can recruit thousands of suicide bombers? It takes a compassionate sense of brotherhood to even ask such questions. OR you could just go shoot the bully and perpetuate the problem. My contention is that an enlightened approach would view our ‘enemies’ as brothers, and would seek a way to defuse the hostility.

I am fortunate in having many brothers, and this does not mean that I give the checkbook to the brother who wastes his money, or give the keys to the car to the one who drives recklessly. But certainly I don’t go out and shoot the one who is the bully. I just limit his resources. I think that kind of approach would have prevented the war we now have, and would have addressed some of the concerns of people who we now call insurgents.


OK Folks, go ahead, and teach me the flaws in my logic.
Thanks again for the "Christmas Present"

Holy crap Vinny! You went on a 491 word diatribe in response to a thread! This will be my first bit of evidencery support of Vinny's mental retardation. Keep up the good work windbag.

[UncleVinny]

You can pick your friends, but you're stuck with your relatives, including your old Uncle Vinny, ha, ha!

How 'bout some Bush Bible Bloopers??



Bush Bible Bloopers

Isaiah 2:4
“And they shall hammer their swords into ‘bunker-buster’ nuclear weapons, and never will they learn peace again.”<br>
Matthew 22:39
“You shall love your neighbor as yourself, except if they are in the NAACP, an environmentalist, or live in a red state.”<br>
Matthew 5:44
“Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, and if they don’t come around, invade their country, kill their people, and take over their oil fields.”<br>
Matthew 5:35
“Do not resist him who is evil. Instead recruit young, impressionable patriots, and let them do the fighting.”<br>
1 John 4:7
“Let us love one another, for love is from God, unless it’s gay love, which is from Satan.”<br>
Matthew 5:5
“Blessed are the energy corporations, as they shall inherit the earth, starting with the Alaska wilderness preserves.”<br>
Proverbs 22:7
“The rich rules over the poor, and the borrower becomes the lenders’ slave. But with any luck, you can pass on massive budget deficits to the next generation.”

[Patriot]

And now, a message from the Vinny Relief Fund.


Friends, we honestly ask that you take a minute to read this post as it delineates a pivotal fact about Vinny: he refuses to read and digest information. That's a bad habit, but it explains why he never gets from point A to point B. Examine this carefully.


-In Thread Post 4, Vinny wrote:


^{Ram Das is... a peace activist popular in the 1960s, and 1970s - he's written about 100 books in the last few decades. "Carry Water, Chop Wood"}


-In Thread Post 5, the Relief Fund replied to that comment:


The peace-activist he's referring to is Baba Ram Dass (2 "s"), a small but significant detail. Why is it significant? Because Ram Das (1 "s"), which Vinny originally spoke of as the teller of the story, was the 4th Guru of Sikkhism (16th century). Baba Ram Dass, on the other hand, is the other of "Be Here Now". Regarding a book called "Carry Water, Chop Wood": there is no such book! Not listed in the Library of Congress database, at least. I guess that means they're all "illiterate", right Vinny? The truth is that he got the title backwards. What he meant to say was, "Chop Wood, Carry Water: A Guide to Finding Spiritual Fulfillment in Everyday Life". That's a book by Rick Fields. An Ugly American, no less!


-In Thread Post 6, Vinny responded by saying,


^{Actually there IS a book with that title, but it's not by Dass: Chop Wood, Carry Water: A Guide to Finding Spiritual Fulfillment in Everyday Life -- by Rick Fields; Paperback Buy new: $11.53}


Rofl! What did I just say, moron?


So a non-existent book entitled "Carry Water, Chop Wood" is the same thing as an existent book titled "Chop Wood, Carry Water"? Not to any "literate" person!

[Ian]

Ha ha ha. That post actually made me laugh out loud. Oh, and Vinny, at least with you I can always turn my computer off, so I wouldn't exactly say I'm stuck with you, my blood relatives, however, are another story...

[TNRighty]

My contribution to the relief fund...in response to Vinny's first post.

All right, lets assume this BS story about the drunk guy is true.

Not everyone who loses a loved one turns to the bottle and starts beating old ladies. This is an example of Vinny invoking one of the great fundamental beliefs of liberals, moral relativism. Getting drunk and beating up old ladies is wrong, even if your wife died the night before.

Moving on to the crux of the matter....

Vinny,

Since you are so concerned about finding the root of Islamic hatred of the United States, why don't you offer us some explanations of that hatred. Why do they hate us so much? Please tell us. In the meantime, I'll offer my opinion.

They hate our freedom. They despise freedom wherever it exists. They hate our economy and our prosperity. They hate our cars, our clothes, our music, and our pickett fences. Find nary an Islamic state that has ever enjoyed the way of life we enjoy here. They utterly despise human rights. They hate the fact that women in the USA can leave their homes wearing mini-skirts without being beaten to death by their husbands. Try being gay or lesbian in an Islamic state. If you can outrun a bullet you might be able to find time to fight for your right to marry. Try opening a business in an Islamic state. Try educating your daughter in an Islamic state. Freedom is the single greatest weapon we have in the war on Islamic terrorism.

As for your bully analogy, how do you suppose we limit his resources? If a bully in elementary school kept beating you over the head with a textbook, would you go confiscate all textbooks from every student in your class? Do you think that would work? What happens when he starts smacking you with a ruler or his fists? Tell me what we can do to cutt off al-Qaida's textbooks, or in this case, cashflow. To do that you first have to know where their money comes from. Where do they get their money, Vinny? Tell us. Where does bin-Laden get his money? He's not the president of a country. There is no tax to collect. If we learned tomorrow that he's being funded by the Syrian or Iranian government, would you support US action against those countries? I doubt it. Its widely accepted that Iran and Syria are currently the two biggest financiers of terrorism worldwide. Do you think economic sanctions against Syria and Iran would eliminate terrorism?

You eliminate terrorism by killing terrorists and spreading freedom.

[UncleVinny]

Hatred is almost universally the problem of the person doing the hating. Look at all the "Why I hate Kerry" or "Why I hate liberals" forums on this site. The hate affects the hater - - gives them ulcers, high blood pressure - - much more than giving a stimulus to the hated person to reform. I suspect the hatred in the Middle East is mostly envy. They want our wealth and freedom. They want their share of the money going into the pockets of the Saudi royal family.

BTW: That is CLUE!

[Ian]

UncleVinny said:

Hatred is almost universally the problem of the person doing the hating. Look at all the "Why I hate Kerry" or "Why I hate liberals" forums on this site. The hate affects the hater - - gives them ulcers, high blood pressure - - much more than giving a stimulus to the hated person to reform. I suspect the hatred in the Middle East is mostly envy. They want our wealth and freedom. They want their share of the money going into the pockets of the Saudi royal family.

And has nothing to do with our endorsment of Israel, or the morally bankrupt state this country is in. Of course, gay rights and abortion thin our population which in turn helps them out, so maybe my last point is incorrect. As Charles Carroll said:

"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

[Patriot]

And now, a message from the Vinny Relief Fund.


Over the past few days, Vinny has taken a new approach: arguing that Jesus taught a message of love and therefore, the infliction of pain is contrary to what Jesus would desire.

But does this ring true with holy writ? Nay. Jesus wasn't a sissy; indeed, he had the aptitude for striking sinners as hard as his Father did. Jesus told the disciples to bring before Him any man who didn't believe in Him, and to violently slaughter the unrepentant (Luke 19:27). Jesus killed one man by having his body eaten by a swarm of worms because the man failed to give Jesus His due (Acts 12:23). Jesus struck a Jew blind for thwarting His teachings (Acts 13:8-11). He struck a man dumb for failing to listen well (Luke 1:20). He took the lives of a husband and wife by scaring them to death for not forking over all the money they made on a real estate transaction (Acts 5:1-10). During one particularly temperamental time when Jesus was hungry, He even killed a fig tree for failing to bear figs, even though Jesus knew figs weren't in season (Mark 11:12-14). Jesus means business!

[Ian]

I can't wait to see Vinny backpedel this one and turn to phase two "I don't live by Jesus' teachings, so who cares what the Bible says".

Unfortunately Vinny will continue to "pathetically" grasp his illogical and uninformed "values" steeped in turpitude. Catholics believe there is hope for everyone, Vinny is one case in which I respectfully digress.

With every post of Vinny's we are cursed, I can almost feel a perceptible drain on man's collective acumen.