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Post by MO on Jun 1, 2004 9:20:17 GMT -5
I much prefer actually going back to the days when government was run with the Constitution in mind. Government doesn't belong in the food, medical care, day care or retirement industries. They certainly should not be giving people drugs.
You're a liberal; I understand. Curse that wretched Constitution.
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Post by frankiegoestostoke on Jun 1, 2004 9:59:48 GMT -5
You say this like a mantra. But if the government did provide drugs to addict then they wouldn't have to steal, crime would be greatly reduced, police wouldn't have to arrest them, police time would be greatly increased.
Futhermore it would save lives. Imagine how many people have died because those around them are too scared to call an ambulance if they overdose?
This sounds like the perfect reason for the government to give drugs to addicts to me. Do you not agree?
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Post by frankiegoestostoke on Jun 1, 2004 10:00:26 GMT -5
Oh and for the sake of stopping this argument from going round in circles,
legalizing drugs would also SAVE tax money.
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Post by Ian on Jun 1, 2004 13:47:18 GMT -5
I've yet to see any substantial evidence of this statement. Since we're now going around making unproven statements, the legalization of drugs WOULD cause more people to use marijuana(do you mean to tell me that the law doesn't deter anyone? ANYONE?). Marijuana IS a gateway drug. Not everyone who smokes dope becomes a heroine addict, but every addict started off smoking dope. This result is more heroine addicts, thus more tax money. Not taking into account the abuses of this so-called "system".
So on top of my other points, now we have heroine addicts, who otherwise wouldn't go to the hospital, receiving free medical care. How much does this cost? It doesn't seem like an incredibly cheap alternative to me.
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Post by frankiegoestostoke on Jun 1, 2004 15:17:10 GMT -5
Perhaps the law has deterred a few, but I am talking about a significant number of people.
OK then, so is alcohol, I defy you to find someone who smokes weed who has never drank alcohol. This doesn't mean it should be illegal.
The point is not whether or not pot is a gateway drug. People will take pot, and thus progress to heroin, whether it is legal or not.
OK this seems to be spiralling into an argument about whether or not America should have a nationalised health service, something I strongly beleive in.
I may start another thread on it.
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Post by Ian on Jun 1, 2004 16:57:21 GMT -5
The number of people who smoke dope and then become heroine addicts is far greater then the number of those who drink alcohol and become addicts.
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Post by frankiegoestostoke on Jun 1, 2004 17:07:59 GMT -5
But there is still a link from alcohol to pot, and from pot to heroin, one could always cut it off at the source?
But like I said, people will start off with dope and move to heroin whether it is legal or not.
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Post by Ian on Jun 1, 2004 17:15:27 GMT -5
It's like a game of 9 degrees of seperation. Sure there might be a link from alcohol to pot, but not as strong a link as from pot to hard drugs. The drug culture is a culture all it's own. I can go to a resteraunt, have a beer, and not be solicited to smoke dope.
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Post by frankiegoestostoke on Jun 1, 2004 17:45:08 GMT -5
And to a certain extent I agree.
But this is no argument as to why drugs shouldn't be legalized.
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Post by Ian on Jun 1, 2004 17:49:05 GMT -5
It's an argument for the position of why alcohol should be legal and pot should not.
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Post by frankiegoestostoke on Jun 2, 2004 5:00:45 GMT -5
But the thing is. The fact that people who smoke pot are going to progress to harder drugs is going to be the case whether it is legal or not.
If people want to take drugs now then they can take them, this is especially true with cannabis.
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Post by Ian on Jun 2, 2004 10:29:48 GMT -5
The same is true with murder. Should we legalize that?
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Post by frankiegoestostoke on Jun 2, 2004 11:38:23 GMT -5
Obviously not.
But of course there is a moral difference between taking drugs and killing someone.
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Post by scummybear on Jun 2, 2004 12:48:09 GMT -5
www.ncpa.org/iss/soc/2002/pd071902a.htmlThere would still be a black market for illegal drugs unless ALL were legal. Still, if they were, the results of yet another social experiment would be catastrophic. One of the key features in the addiction of any substance is denial of having a problem, and rationalization that "it's OK" to do it. What kind of message would it send to those people, not to mention the people who wouldn't have the propensity to use otherwise? The legalization of drugs idea sounds to be straight out of "The Port Huron Statement" manifesto. Big on ideas, but short on considering the outcomes. All of the supposed benefits from this would be non-existent. The "lower taxes" aspect of your argument has to be the biggest laugh. Health care costs would skyrocket, followed by yet more social experimentation in attempts to allieviate that problem. Crime rates would also rise, due to the availability of substances that already contribute heavily to the problems in our society. There is a good reason that they are illegal.
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Post by pukaman on Jun 18, 2004 12:10:39 GMT -5
It's interesting and amusing to me that people who object to "Socialized Medicine" and Welfare, have no objection to giving "Corporate Welfare" in the amount of 100 million dollars to Coca Cola to promote Coke in China,as happened a few years ago. Why doesn't having your tax dollars given to a multi-national corporation to create more sugar addicts burn you up  Drugs are expensive because of Gov't funded price controls under the guise of illegality. CIA has been importing cocaine and heroin for years and using the profits for their black book operations. Marijuana would be free if it was legal to grow your own. Drugs which should be illegal are sugar and alcohol. Thousands of young people's lives and health will be negatively affected by Sugar caused Diabetes than by all the Drugs combined .So why isn't sugar outlawed,if the issue is really about Health ? More innocent kids lives will be ruined by poor diet and poisons in the air, asthma and diabetes etc, than by heroin. Where is the outcry about that ?? Get real and get the TRUTH.... Pukaman |
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