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Post by MO on Oct 8, 2004 12:01:16 GMT -5
I'm sick of liberals! I do not run from debate because I happen to love it. It just seems so few are willing to debate like human beings. They have certain games that they play.
The revolving idiot game seems to be the most popular on this board. With every new liberal, we get the same, tired arguments about the same, tired topics. How many threads do we have arguing about the war in Iraq? Yet probably within the next week, some idiot will start a new thread about it and not even bother to read what has already been posted and post on an existing thread.
The non-specific hate game. This is when they post an entire laundry list of things they hate about Bush, Republicans or conservatives. Aside from being impolite, since this is a conservative board, it is also difficult to respond to. Who the hell has all day to sit and type a defense of their entire world view for someone who may or may not come back and if they do, will just hurl more insults? They may have a sentence or two for all their beefs. To defend the positions properly would require a paragraph on each. The non-specific beef is just bad form! I would love for a liberal to start specific issue threads, like, "I don't support the privatization of SS. Do you? If so, why?" Something like that would begin fair and honest debate.
The constant moral relativity argument. Examples: Christians should support gay marriage because some of them work on Sundays. Or, Rush is worse than any other entertainer who has/ had a drug problem because he has spoken out against it. I suppose we should all set really low standards or none at all so that we can always live up to them. It seems to work for the liberals.
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Post by TNRighty on Oct 8, 2004 18:03:21 GMT -5
Liberals themselves don't make me mad. I find it pitiful that they are so GROSSLY uneducated on subjects like economics, history, and foreign policy. I honestly feel sorry for them. What makes me mad is the liberal politicians who ARE educated yet chose to prey on those who will believe anything they say just so they can stay in office. For example, if you don't know anything about a V-8 engine, your mechanic could tell you just about anything and you wouldn't really have any choice but to take his word for it.
"If you don't replace the flux capacitor this car will blow up and kill anyone near it."
"My god I don't want that. How much does it cost?"
"$2500"
"Well, its worth it. Here's your money"
Democrats do the same thing, except they're paid with votes. A democrat's worst enemy is an educated informed voter. Any wonder why they have a stranglehold over the public school system?
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Post by NMRepublican on Oct 9, 2004 5:36:32 GMT -5
MO, you said it and then some. The hit and run idiots are bad, but the ones who remain constant and don't seek to debate, only to disparage are worse. They run out of things to refute with so just go with personal attacks and insults. You'd have as much luck trying to discuss something with a bucket as with a liberal. Even if you try to begin a specific beef debate, as you described, you won't get far. Their selective reading talent will soon have you standing there with a target on your person rather than on your views.
My favorites are when they cannot acknowledge that conservative views are just as valid and founded as they perceive theirs to be so they resort to the: you are fascist, nazi, ignorant, or want slavery back. LOL, it makes you wonder why you bother. I just quit another so called "neutral" board where this was getting out of hand. Getting too close to election and they're getting worried, I guess. ;D
TNRighty, I think you are right. But I also think most of that is selective. Some of them know the truth but steadfastly refuse to acknowledge it. They would rather go for something that makes them feel good rather than listen to reality. Let's all link hands and sing Kum Ba Yah!! LOL.
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Post by skeeter1 on Oct 14, 2004 0:25:20 GMT -5
Can I hear an AMEN!!! Seems like when they have no cohesive argument they ALWAYS resort to name-calling. How mature!
Today's ray of hope: A man called into our local talk radio station and said he had picked up his 2nd-grader from school that day. The 2nd grader was all excited because they'd held their election that day. Out of 19 kids, 17 of them voted for Bush!
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Post by MO on Oct 14, 2004 10:21:52 GMT -5
You guys are right. The name calling is very common. Ann Coulter calls it the liberal holy trinity- "racist! sexist! homophobe!" Another common one that she writes about is this or some form of "you're stupid!" It's like arguing with a six year old on the playground. They have to resort to name calling because their ideology is based of emotion, not something with a proven record of success in the world.
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Post by individ on Oct 19, 2004 14:04:07 GMT -5
Well, we LET the liberals take the high road. Instead, we need to take our message to the people. THEIR blind support of public schools in the inner cities is racist, as is their support for gun control (White VT can have few gun laws, but black D.C., well "they" can't be trusted?), etc. When they bash "big business" or "corporate profits", who are they bashing? How about the 9-5 worker in that "big business"? How about the retiree's living off the "corporate profits"? How about creeping socialistic reforms that deny the worth and dignity of the individual, in favor of Hillary's "village"? I have lots more on this on my blog at http:www.individ.us |
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Post by cupolaa5 on Oct 25, 2004 17:31:44 GMT -5
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Post by Cheneysmyhero on Nov 9, 2004 23:49:30 GMT -5
The constant moral relativity argument. Examples: Christians should support gay marriage because some of them work on Sundays. Or, Rush is worse than any other entertainer who has/ had a drug problem because he has spoken out against it. I suppose we should all set really low standards or none at all so that we can always live up to them. It seems to work for the liberals. I just think we should all set our own standards and stick to them. I am tired of hearing conservatives preach about the values we need in this country. What makes you so righteous? Perhaps you conservatives should open your bible to the story of the good samaritan. Maybe then you wouldn't mind helping out those a little less fortunate than yourself. |
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Post by MO on Nov 10, 2004 1:43:01 GMT -5
None of us can ever live up to our own standards all the time unless we set them disgustingly low. If you never let yourself down, you're probably an immoral pig. Something isn't any less wrong just because you've always failed to acknowledge it as such. Actually, it's worse!
How much of your money did you give to charity last year? I bet I could beat you at least in % of income. Liberals don't want to help with their money. They want other people's money! You think confiscatory redistribution of wealth is moral and righteous? I call that theft. The good Samaritan didn't stand there and whine for the government to do something to help. Both Kerry and Gore have deplorable records for charitable contributions. I give more in a month than Gore did for the year in the tax year he made public when he was running. It's real easy to pat yourself on the back and claim to be compassionate to the poor. Put your OWN money where your mouth is and keep your filthy hands out of wallet!
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Post by Cheneysmyhero on Nov 10, 2004 17:10:06 GMT -5
None of us can ever live up to our own standards all the time unless we set them disgustingly low. If you never let yourself down, you're probably an immoral pig. Something isn't any less wrong just because you've always failed to acknowledge it as such. Actually, it's worse! How much of your money did you give to charity last year? I bet I could beat you at least in % of income. Liberals don't want to help with their money. They want other people's money! You think confiscatory redistribution of wealth is moral and righteous? I call that theft. The good Samaritan didn't stand there and whine for the government to do something to help. Both Kerry and Gore have deplorable records for charitable contributions. I give more in a month than Gore did for the year in the tax year he made public when he was running. It's real easy to pat yourself on the back and claim to be compassionate to the poor. Put your OWN money where your mouth is and keep your filthy hands out of wallet! I wouldn't call the welfare program "redistribution of wealth"? Do you really think someone on welfare has any kind of wealth? They barely get enough money to live. I don't whine for the government to help me. I just don't mind seeing my tax dollars go towards helping my fellow Americans. I do give to charity. You are right, I don't give much of my MONEY to charities, neither does my boss and he is a millionaire conservative. I don't make the generalization that there aren't any millionaire conservatives that give to charity. Apparently, you see one liberals tax return and decide, "Stupid bloody liberals, they never want to give to charity." I do, however, give my time to charities. I volunteer at soup kitchens and for programs like meals on wheels. |
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Post by TNRighty on Nov 10, 2004 18:11:51 GMT -5
I think as Americans its our responsibility to help those in need. Too many people try to paint conservatives as being completely absorbed with themselves and their money. That's simply not true. I tutor inner city kids in math. I do it because, 1) I want to, and 2) I feel as a Christian you should share your gifts with others. Also, it just makes me feel good.
That being said, I don't consider my money to be my gift. The money I earn is a result of the gifts I have and the skills I have developed for myself. By donating my time and knowledge I hope I can open a door for someone, perhaps interest them in a skill that will enable them to provide for themselves a prosperous life. Your time is so much more valuable than your money.
However, your time doesn't buy votes, money does. What I have a problem with is politicians deciding how my money should be spent. If welfare programs were so good at eliminating poverty, why is there still poverty? If you give a man a fish, he eats for a day. If you teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime.
Democrats don't want people to catch their own fish. They want people to stick their hands out and bow to the alter of the fisherman. If you're the one passing out the food to hungry people, you have all the power. When people learn to do for themselves, you have no power over them.
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Post by Cheneysmyhero on Nov 10, 2004 18:42:11 GMT -5
Some people can't do for themselves. Even if you teach them to do it. Because of handicaps or circumstances, they simply can't do it.
The purpose of Welfare is to help those that are down on their luck. Do some people abuse the system? Yes. SOme people abuse every system. My sister on the other hand is an example of somebody who made the system work for her. She is a single mother who made it through scollegewhile raising a child, in large part, due to government aid. Now, she is a paralegal and productive part of society.
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Post by Malebolgia on Nov 10, 2004 19:02:22 GMT -5
How much of your money did you give to charity last year? I bet I could beat you at least in % of income. What is this a competition? Or are you doing it to be a good person. I think it's obvious. Liberals don't want to help with their money. They want other people's money! Who are you to stereotype every liberal into a group, your irrational at best. The entire concept of being liberal is being giving. You know the opposite of being conservative. Both Kerry and Gore have deplorable records for charitable contributions. Again WRONG! If you look at tax return from last year, which are publicly available, you wouldn't be so uninformed. In 2003 the Bush's reported $822,126.00 adjusted gross income, they donated $68,000.00 to charity (roughly 8.3%). Meanwhile, JOhn Kerry reported $395,000.00 in adjusted gross income and donated $43,000.00 to charity (10.8%). SEE, You are the ones ignorant of the subject matter. |
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Post by Malebolgia on Nov 10, 2004 19:10:23 GMT -5
Liberals themselves don't make me mad. I find it pitiful that they are so GROSSLY uneducated on subjects like economics, history, and foreign policy. I honestly feel sorry for them. What makes me mad is the liberal politicians who ARE educated yet chose to prey on those who will believe anything they say just so they can stay in office. For example, if you don't know anything about a V-8 engine, your mechanic could tell you just about anything and you wouldn't really have any choice but to take his word for it. "If you don't replace the flux capacitor this car will blow up and kill anyone near it." "My god I don't want that. How much does it cost?" "$2500" "Well, its worth it. Here's your money" Democrats do the same thing, except they're paid with votes. A democrat's worst enemy is an educated informed voter. Any wonder why they have a stranglehold over the public school system? Are you a professional analogy creator? Because that was really top notch. I wonder why the Right IS the catholic school system, maybe because once you can convince somebody of an invisible man(overly simplified, I know) you can convince them of anything - even that GW is a regular good ole' boy. Come on, "a democrat's worst enemy is an educated informed voter". Is that why everything near a decently populated city is a blue area on election maps and all the back water hick towns are red, strange. Seems like the truth is the opposite of your claims. Republicans prey, yes PREY, on stupid, god fearing americans (they ain't gonna take my gun away, drr). |
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Post by Cheneysmyhero on Nov 10, 2004 19:23:27 GMT -5
What is this a competition? Or are you doing it to be a good person. I think it's obvious. Who are you to stereotype every liberal into a group, your irrational at best. The entire concept of being liberal is being giving. You know the opposite of being conservative. Again WRONG! If you look at tax return from last year, which are publicly available, you wouldn't be so uninformed. In 2003 the Bush's reported $822,126.00 adjusted gross income, they donated $68,000.00 to charity (roughly 8.3%). Meanwhile, JOhn Kerry reported $395,000.00 in adjusted gross income and donated $43,000.00 to charity (10.8%). SEE, You are the ones ignorant of the subject matter. Wow! Our president doesn't even tithe. I thought he had strong moral values. |
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