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Post by raja on Mar 10, 2004 22:40:06 GMT -5
I could practically write a 5 page essay lecturing on and on about why and how abortion is so wrong...but to simplify the whole process, let me reverse the field. To all the pro-choicers out there give me ONE, not ten or twenty but ONE liable, plausible reason why abortion is RIGHT!
there you go...try that one out.
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Post by raja on Mar 10, 2004 23:05:46 GMT -5
one glitch in my last statement...i wish to exclude abortion in cases of danger to the mother and/or child, otherwise comment away...
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Yukon
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Post by Yukon on Mar 11, 2004 13:54:14 GMT -5
Whether you like it or not abortion is legal. You shouldn't try imposing your morality on everyone else. It only causes trouble.
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Post by MO on Mar 11, 2004 14:24:12 GMT -5
Yukon- Legal, yes, and so is the death penalty. Don't try to silence people with your hypocrisy.
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Post by raja on Mar 11, 2004 15:19:03 GMT -5
why abortion should be illegal: If murdering was legal, many more people would consider it, without jail as a consequence...it would be easily done. If abortion were illegal many women would no longer consider it
because of the consequence. Yes some will still find ways but if a person wants to induce their own abortion it takes a lot more courage and is a much more terrifying experience that many, in their mental state could not begin to attempt. Yes, people still murder but a far less amount then would occur if murdering were legal. Bringing those statistics down saves lives. There are flukes to this analogy but the base of it...the theoretical base of it makes sense. You, by natural and governmental law should not murder, so the consequences are made if you do so. Many people murder for many reasons but anger and rage trigger many of those rageful thoughts and knowing the law, people find other ways to get through the process instead of just taking the easy way out (because in that case it would wind them up in jail) So if abortion were illegal, many more women would find other paths to take, maybe not simpler but other paths that save that child. I guess that was my point of my last statement.
BY the way, no one did answer my last question, they just ridiculed it with no back up. i just wanted some sort of answer and excluding the danger to mother and child reason, because more abortions are done for convienience rather that for health purposes.
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Post by Ian on Mar 11, 2004 20:13:49 GMT -5
I don't believe in abortion even if the mother is in danger, but the child is never in enough danger to justify killing it.
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Post by Ally on Mar 31, 2004 18:30:56 GMT -5
>:( ur right. Aborion is wrong. Why muder something that hasnt dont any harm to you? ??? ??? it makes me sad :'( that people just dont care. what if your mother did an abortion to you. you wouldnt be here would you? give the child a chance its not it did anything to you. your the one that opended your legs up.and if you were raped then still have the child and see if you want to keep or to give it up. atleast give it a chance to live. whats wrong with people these days?
:-/ :-[ :'( :( >:( ??? ::)
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Post by PYFAFYKI on Mar 31, 2004 19:00:11 GMT -5
To all the pro-choicers out there give me ONE, not ten or twenty but ONE liable, plausible reason why abortion is RIGHT! I seriously doubt that you will get much of a responce from anyone, but I offer you a current discusion. Until a certain age after birth, children are not self aware and have no sentience beyond that of any other animal. We kill animals all the time, so if a child is killed at the time when it is no better than an animal, what is the crime? |
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Post by MO on Mar 31, 2004 19:32:58 GMT -5
That presumes that humanness is not a unique quality worthy of life, but only human intellect is worthy of life. Taken to its next logical conclusion, it is fair to kill Alzheimer's patients, the mentally ill or retarded and those with brain injuries. It would assume that the life of a person with a PhD is ultimately more valuable than that of a mechanic who couldn't get through the tenth grade.
The scientific definition of death is the absence of all brain waves. The definition of the beginning of life should be at least by the point we know the child has brain waves.
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Post by Favre on Mar 31, 2004 22:24:30 GMT -5
Mo, everything starts at the very beginning. I believe you are being generous with the brain wave idea. When the sperm connects with the egg, life begins. There is no other point at which life could possibly begin. You can argue about viability outside of the womb and you can argue about quality of life. You would be deluding yourself though if you think that ending a pregnancy at any point is anything less than the loss of a life. Life begins at the beginning. Some may argue that it doesn’t matter until there is self-awareness and that is fine, just qualify your argument. (I don’t mean you Mo I know where you stand) The fact is, at any point you are ending a life, not a potential life, but a real life. I have no respect for hypocrisy; everyone knows what I have just said is true. I would have more respect for abortionists if they just admitted what they really mean to say. Dead babies don’t cry in the middle of the night and wake me up. Quit pretending it is a woman’s control of her body, what it is truthfully, is convenience. The father of the child has absolutely no say in whether his child lives or dies. Mo, you said something once that I totally agree with, if the father has no say over his child’s life or death, then he should have no accountability for child support either. I guess none of that really matters though. In the end it really comes down to the fact that dead babies don’t scream.
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Post by MO on Mar 31, 2004 23:03:02 GMT -5
I was. I used that measure because it makes so much sense if you are trying to look at the issue with a purely scientific eye. Scientists have found the presence of some brain waves by the time a woman knows she's pregnant. Also, the poster was trying to put forth some kind of sense of awareness measure for the beginning of life. If I drink too much beer tonight, I may not have much sense of awareness. I guess someone should put an ice pick in my head and suck my brains out. Great post, Favre!  |
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Post by Favre on Mar 31, 2004 23:12:31 GMT -5
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Post by MO on Mar 31, 2004 23:58:14 GMT -5
Wow, but this dirty word filter is a prude! I didn't say anything dirty! ;D
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Post by Favre on Apr 1, 2004 22:58:43 GMT -5
I did. |
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Post by remedios on Apr 2, 2004 17:09:16 GMT -5
Actually, if abortion became illegal in the U.S. I would simply drive to Canada or fly to a country where it's legal. The people who will be affected by illegal abortion are the poor.
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