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Post by vito on Dec 2, 2003 15:31:40 GMT -5
I just wanted to send one last message and say goodbye to you all. The management of the board have let me know pretty clearly that they do not want me here. They have not banned me, only threatened to, but I'm not one to outstay my welcome.
I've had some good discussions with many of you here. I wish you all well, and perhaps we'll meet on some other forum!
all the best,
vito
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Post by Walter on Dec 2, 2003 15:44:36 GMT -5
vito,
Please stick around in this forum.
We have philosophical differences but you are a very good participant and I appreciate the quality and nature of your efforts.
If you feel you cannot stick around, can you share with me your email address? It;s available in my profile on this board.
Regards,
Walter
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Post by MO on Dec 2, 2003 15:48:22 GMT -5
Vito- If it is too much for you to refrain from personal insults, I suppose that is best.
That is all I asked of you!
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Post by A Sad American on Dec 8, 2003 20:18:36 GMT -5
Why do we look after the right's of the Jeffery Dahmer's and the John Wayne Gacy's, Ted Bundy's, ect. All of the cold senseless acts they perpetrated, and we do not defend the helpless?? I'm sorry if it has a circulatory system it has "brain activity", as well as 5 fingers and toes, two eyes one nose and one mouth. Ahmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm if it looks like a duck ......................... I have not read one thing about adoption. That is a viable option. There are many many wonderful people childless who would make ideal parents. But all i see is more rhetoric and chaos. I chose not to tone down my "inflammatory rhetoric" i am one-sided on this matter. But you're seriously telling me that we can determine a sea turtle egg can be defined and legislated and a human being can't. Come on down out of adjective heaven and think about what you are saying. So far this year NC has put 7 people to death this year ang God knows how many children were legally murdered. What did those children do to deserve their fate?  ?? I hope all those terms like murder, corpse ect. Help you sleep better at night. Vito: you need to stay and voice your opinion. Stand up for what you believe in. Fire Away  |
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Post by OpenTeen on Dec 18, 2003 17:20:29 GMT -5
Ha ha ha ha ha he ha ha!!!
Why am I laughing when this thread is about such a serious and emotional topic?
Because I have sat here and read post after post from men deciding and agrueing about an issue that they can barley comprehend. Your life, religions, friends and family may have formed your opinions on the subject of abortion and if women have the right to choose, but when it comes down to the hard facts, non of you have even the CLOSEST of clues to the full effects of pregnancy and motherhood, and unless science screws up, you never will or can. So please, leave these important choices to the people it will effect, because if women had sat down and tried to decide what the laws should and shouldn't say, the abortion topic would have been decided, done and left alone.
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Post by MO on Dec 19, 2003 5:59:31 GMT -5
What a totally ridiculous argument! First of all, there are many pro-life women, myself included.
So men should be left out of the loop? Then I suggest they not be forced to bear responsibility for the offspring the very *friendly*, murderous women decide to allow to live. Child support should become a thing of the past. Don't expect dad to teach him to play ball, either. It's not his body! Perhaps the courts should only consider men responsible for children conceived in marriage.
Men have just as much right in the abortion debate as women. They are the other parent. Half of the children who get their brains sucked into a sink through abortion are male children. It would do the pro abortion folks who call themselves pro woman some good to realize that half of them are female, too.
on edit- I was nailed by the language filter! ;D 'friendly' was not my choice of words!
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Post by A Sad American on Dec 21, 2003 10:45:13 GMT -5
 And what would make you the authority on parenthood does not your name imply you are a teenager??? I seriously take offense at your implication that I do not know what it is like to experience 'motherhood'. Well let me tell you a few things. I began my career at 'fatherhood' standing next to my wife, as she was beginning her career at 'motherhood', ah yes side by side standing in a neonatal intensive care unit with a 2' 3.75 oz. baby boy. We stood side by side for 60 days. I would drive 160 mi round trip every day, to work and back to the Ronald McDonald House at the Hospital. I would actually dread going back in there to see him for fear of what else they would tell me had gone wrong. My wife and myself endured that together. We fought so very hard to keep our son, and we WON!! Together. So don't assume that the father dosent count, or dosent know. He had to count at some point. Sheesh I'm only waiting for the next legal issue to come up .......... Somthing like man sues woman for illegaly destroying his genetic material.....or somthing idiotically stoopid like that. I just can't understand how we fought so hard to win, others don't care and destroy at will and are allowed to. Soon you'll probably be able to get an abortion at WAL-MART. The apocalypse won't be too far off if that happens. ;D ;D ;D I can't fathom a woman wanting to destroy a human being inside her own body Grow up and then form an opinion, unless you're 30 somthing you havent seen or done enough to form one. 
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Post by deoduce on Mar 30, 2004 19:31:29 GMT -5
OpenTeen: Men have opinions on children and abortion, too. Without men, none of us would be here. The argument that the abortion issue should be decided solely by females is not only distorted, but selfish which also defines the basis of 99% of abortions. It is selfish to kill to a baby simply because they are an inconvenience. Oh yeah, and you cannot get pregnant without a man around (in case they forgot to tell you that in health class)...Happy posting. ps- Like Mo, I am a pro-life female. |
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Post by shell on Oct 10, 2004 11:51:38 GMT -5
the comment from openteen was simply laughable if it wasnt such a serious point not enough fathers get a say in what happens to their child if they did then perhaps there wouldnt be so many murders at the hands of the so called proffesion that takes an oaf to save lives . and as for the fact that men cannot experience the beauty of giving birth isnt that something that we should pity them for not use as an argument to kill there child i sometimes think it would be better for the baby if daddy did give birth not mummy but then again i dont think i could ever miss out on such a wonderfull experience
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Post by groucho on Nov 1, 2004 17:58:14 GMT -5
Ha ha ha ha ha he ha ha!!! Why am I laughing when this thread is about such a serious and emotional topic? Because I have sat here and read post after post from men deciding and agrueing about an issue that they can barley comprehend. Your life, religions, friends and family may have formed your opinions on the subject of abortion and if women have the right to choose, but when it comes down to the hard facts, non of you have even the CLOSEST of clues to the full effects of pregnancy and motherhood, and unless science screws up, you never will or can. So please, leave these important choices to the people it will effect, because if women had sat down and tried to decide what the laws should and shouldn't say, the abortion topic would have been decided, done and left alone. Choice, choice, choice!!!  You want to know the real tragedy of this issue? What CHOICE does the CHILD in question have? "A mother's right to choose........" Pretty damn selfish, atually. Oh, and if abortion is so "worthwhile," why is there a cottage industry specializing in therapy for those women who are so ANGUISHED over what they have done? If abortion is so "worthwhile," shouldn't their consciences be clear? |
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Post by Masterman52 on Nov 1, 2004 19:19:39 GMT -5
Just to put in my own view on Abortion:
Do I think Abortion is a good thing for a woman to do? No
Am I pro-choice? yes
I personally am against abortion and wish women never had abortions. However, this does not mean that I think that my moral views should be imposed upon another with other moral views on the subject. I believe that it's for each individual woman to decide for herself whether or not an abortion is right and morally good for her.
That said, I wholeheartedly hope that women don't go have abortions due to inconvinience. One of my main concerns with abolishing abortion is this: Even if you abolish abortion, if a woman really wants to have one shes still going to be able to, she'll just have it with an unlicenced doctor who probably used dirty medical equipment and with an 80% chance of killing the mother as well.
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Post by Ian on Nov 1, 2004 23:12:54 GMT -5
Have you ever been pregnant? I would be willing to bet that a large number of women in the pro-choice movement have never been pregnant, many of them are lesbians, and by your logic, should have no say in the matter. There are many Christian mothers who have given birth 4,5,6 even more times and are extremely pro-life. By your reasoning these women should have more of a voice then others.
What a completely ignorant and self defeating stance. I can see that you are a true byproduct of the liberal propaganda and loathsome standards of our public schools, and fit the "Open Teen" mold wholly and without flaws. Congrats!
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Post by KKSlyder on Nov 4, 2004 12:10:24 GMT -5
I agree with Ian, and the others. If it is the "womans choice" cause men dont have the "Knowlage". That does not mean we cannot support or go against anything. Many times men do something and the females must follow after it because it would be "bashing females". And I think a life of a poor child not even one hour old gets killed, and "men" dont have a say. Listen Sad American. I wont throw God into this one, Ill make it simple. If bush did something that only included me, females would want a part of it. Okay. Thats simple if you could follow along. I say, make a law to ban abortion forever. This is all.
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Post by Vagrant on Nov 4, 2004 13:13:25 GMT -5
Abortion is wrong I've already stated this but I agree with Masterman on this one. Its not my place to tell a couple what to do with THEIR child. If someone told me what to do with my child I'd tell them where they can put their advice with the quickness!
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Post by MO on Nov 4, 2004 13:21:06 GMT -5
Then why not allow couples to kill their six year old if they want to? Murder is murder.
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And what would make you the authority on parenthood does not your name imply you are a teenager??? I seriously take offense at your implication that I do not know what it is like to experience 'motherhood'. Well let me tell you a few things. I began my career at 'fatherhood' standing next to my wife, as she was beginning her career at 'motherhood', ah yes side by side standing in a neonatal intensive care unit with a 2' 3.75 oz. baby boy.
