What do you all think about....

[MO]

...the liberal B.O. fest going on in Crawford?

[scrap]

I truly feel for this woman who lost her son but from the perspective of a Vet. she seems to be trampling all over his grave.

I'm sure he is turning over in his grave and wishing she would quit dishonoring his death.

He chose to serve and I'm not being unsympathetic but he knew the consequences and accepted them.

I won't debate the pros and cons of this war as it's been done enough and I'm sure we all know where I stand

They've had her fifteen minutes and should get the hell out of there in my opinion.

Freedom to protest and demonstrate is a protected right we enjoy here in the States and because of this I guess she and the others have the right to go on for as long as they want. I know this may sound contradictory because of a recent post I made about demonstrators but it's apples and oranges.

Her husband apparently filed for divorce, her Mother has had a stroke and Bush refuses to talk to her (moot since she's gone) So why sit around and spoil the daily lives of the unintended targets.

[midcan5]

When someone dies it is the living who suffer. Does honor matter to the dead and how does asking that no more die in this war dishonor the dead? It doesn't matter whether one believes in an afterlife or that we end there. A mother has suffered one of the greatest losses conceivable to a human and the president who sent them there does not have the dignity to talk to her. I think I know where the smell is coming from and it is not the group of Americans who are doing what should have been done before so many died for a cause that is long lost in the justification of what can only be called a tragedy.

[TNRighty]

This looks more like a woman addicted to attention rather than a grieving mother. This isn't about her son. This is about her. I just can't see how her son would not be totally appalled were he to see how his mother is using his service and heroism as a prop for her grandstanding.

By the way, Cindy Sheehan has already met President Bush, not long after her son's death. This woman is a lying publicity freak.

www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45800

[scrap]

First off I forgot to put the word "again" in after Bush refusing to talk with her.

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This looks more like a woman addicted to attention rather than a grieving mother.

That's the same take I get from her.

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Does honor matter to the dead

You bet your ass it does especially to a Marine.
Being a Marine is a full time job. Honor and Integrity are not just words to us.

It's a way of life and yes, death.

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I think I know where the smell is coming from.

The smell is coming from way over to the left where it usually emanates from.

[midcan5]

TNR have you lost a son to a war that makes no sense? Tell us when you do then you can judge this mom. Dead is dead folks since no one has returned you are merely assuming that life continues in some similar form. Consider that for a moment in terms of the complexity and variety of human experience.

How is that conservatives always understand the motivations of others and they often tie into their personal stereotypes of others. Not really thinking about it obviously. This is a grieving mother who thought her son went to war to fight an enemy not create one. And her first meeting was consistent with all things dubya does, inappropriate and off base, folks you elected a sophomore prankster as president.

[midcan5]

Hypocrites and Liars by Cindy Sheehan

The media are wrong. The people who have come out to Camp Casey to help coordinate the press and events with me are not putting words in my mouth, they are taking words out of my mouth. I have been known for sometime as a person who speaks the truth and speaks it strongly. I have always called a liar a liar and a hypocrite a hypocrite. Now I am urged to use softer language to appeal to a wider audience. Why do my friends at Camp Casey think they are there? Why did such a big movement occur from such a small action on August 6, 2005?

I haven't had much time to analyze the Camp Casey phenomena. I just read that I gave 250 interviews in less than a weeks time. I believe it. I would go to bed with a raw throat every night. I got pretty tired of answering some questions, like: 'What do you want to say to the President?' and 'Do you really think he will meet with you?' However, since my mom has been sick I have had a chance to step back and ponder the flood gates that I opened in Crawford, TX.

I just read an article posted today on LewRockwell.com by artist Robert Shetterly who painted my portrait. The article reminded me of something I said at the Veteran's for Peace Convention the night before I set out to Bush's ranch in my probable futile quest for the truth. This is what I said:

"I got an e-mail the other day and it said, 'Cindy if you didn't use so much profanity '. There's people on the fence that get offended.'

And you know what I said? 'You know what? You know what, god damn it? How in the world is anybody still sitting on that fence?'

"If you fall on the side that is pro-George and pro-war, you get your ass over to Iraq, and take the place of somebody who wants to come home. And if you fall on the side that is against this war and against George Bush, stand up and speak out."

This is what the Camp Casey miracle is all about. American citizens who oppose the war but never had a conduit for their disgust and dismay are dropping everything and traveling to Crawford to stand in solidarity with us who have made a commitment to sit outside of George's ranch for the duration of the miserable Texan August. If they can't come to Texas, they are attending vigils, writing letters to their elected officials and to their local newspapers; they are setting up Camp Casey branches in their hometowns; they are sending flowers, cards, letters, gifts, and donations here to us at Camp Casey. We are so grateful for all of the support, but I think pro-peace Americans are grateful for something to do, finally.

www.commondreams.org/views05/0820-30.htm

[MO]

I think ANN COULTER nailed it!



CINDY SHEEHAN: COMMANDER IN GRIEF
by Ann Coulter
August 17, 2005

To expiate the pain of losing her firstborn son in the Iraq war, Cindy Sheehan decided to cheer herself up by engaging in Stalinist agitprop outside President Bush's Crawford ranch. It's the strangest method of grieving I've seen since Paul Wellstone's funeral. Someone needs to teach these liberals how to mourn.

Call me old-fashioned, but a grief-stricken war mother shouldn't have her own full-time PR flack. After your third profile on "Entertainment Tonight," you're no longer a grieving mom; you're a C-list celebrity trolling for a book deal or a reality show.

We're sorry about Ms. Sheehan's son, but the entire nation was attacked on 9/11. This isn't about her personal loss. America has been under relentless attack from Islamic terrorists for 20 years, culminating in a devastating attack on U.S. soil on 9/11. It's not going to stop unless we fight back, annihilate Muslim fanatics, destroy their bases, eliminate their sponsors and end all their hope. A lot more mothers will be grieving if our military policy is: No one gets hurt!

Fortunately, the Constitution vests authority to make foreign policy with the president of the United States, not with this week's sad story. But liberals think that since they have been able to produce a grieving mother, the commander in chief should step aside and let Cindy Sheehan make foreign policy for the nation. As Maureen Dowd said, it's "inhumane" for Bush not "to understand that the moral authority of parents who bury children killed in Iraq is absolute."

I'm not sure what "moral authority" is supposed to mean in that sentence, but if it has anything to do with Cindy Sheehan dictating America's foreign policy, then no, it is not "absolute." It's not even conditional, provisional, fleeting, theoretical or ephemeral.

The logical, intellectual and ethical shortcomings of such a statement are staggering. If one dead son means no one can win an argument with you, how about two dead sons? What if the person arguing with you is a mother who also lost a son in Iraq and she's pro-war? Do we decide the winner with a coin toss? Or do we see if there's a woman out there who lost two children in Iraq and see what she thinks about the war?

Dowd's "absolute" moral authority column demonstrates, once again, what can happen when liberals start tossing around terms they don't understand like "absolute" and "moral." It seems that the inspiration for Dowd's column was also absolute. On the rocks.

Liberals demand that we listen with rapt attention to Sheehan, but she has nothing new to say about the war. At least nothing we haven't heard from Michael Moore since approximately 11 a.m., Sept. 11, 2001. It's a neocon war; we're fighting for Israel; it's a war for oil; Bush lied, kids died; there is no connection between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaida. Turn on MSNBC's "Hardball" and you can hear it right now. At this point, Cindy Sheehan is like a touring company of Air America radio: Same old script and it's not even the original cast.

These arguments didn't persuade Hillary Clinton or John McCain to vote against the war. They didn't persuade Democratic primary voters, who unceremoniously dumped anti-war candidate Howard Dean in favor of John Kerry, who voted for the war before he voted against it. They certainly didn't persuade a majority of American voters who re-upped George Bush's tenure as the nation's commander in chief last November.

But now liberals demand that we listen to the same old arguments all over again, not because Sheehan has any new insights, but because she has the ability to repel dissent by citing her grief.

On the bright side, Sheehan shows us what Democrats would say if they thought they were immunized from disagreement. Sheehan has called President Bush "that filth-spewer and warmonger." She says "America has been killing people on this continent since it was started" and "the killing has gone on unabated for over 200 years." She calls the U.S. government a "morally repugnant system" and says, "This country is not worth dying for." I have a feeling every time this gal opens her trap, Michael Moore gets a residuals check.

Evidently, however, there are some things worth killing for. Sheehan recently said she only seemed calm "because if I started hitting something, I wouldn't stop 'til it was dead." It's a wonder Bush won't meet with her.
www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/welcome.cgi

[midcan5]

Is Ann Coulter representative of the failure of education in our society? Or does she exemplify the inability of ideologues on the right to think? Probably the latter. I take only the first paragraph of her agitprop.

"To expiate the pain of losing her firstborn son in the Iraq war, Cindy Sheehan decided to cheer herself up by engaging in Stalinist agitprop outside President Bush's Crawford ranch. It's the strangest method of grieving I've seen since Paul Wellstone's funeral. Someone needs to teach these liberals how to mourn."

Sheehan is not 'expiating' anything, Anne needs a dictionary or a mind. 'Stalinist'? Does Ann know who Stalin was? Comparing it to Paul Wellstone's funeral is ugly and only repeats more propaganda. I'm sure Ann will teach us how to mourn. Oh and Ann, 911 and Iraq are not related try as you might to relate them.

That a person can pull together un-related items and then place them in a way that ignores the time line of the events represents for me the problem with much of the thinking on the right. It fails to understand the circumstances of events and it assigns meaning in a backward fashion only to support its narrow ideology.

[MO]

What are you talking about? One of the definitions in my dictionary is- "to put an end to." There is nothing wrong with that word in the context of that sentence.

See now, you learned something about vocabulary from Ann Coulter.

Don't reply if you can only attack the messenger and can't attack the message.

[TNRighty]

Medican,

You asked if I had ever lost a son in a war.

No, I have never lost a son in a war. I am only 29 and I have no kids, but that does not disqualify me from having an opinion in this matter. What percentage of the whackos camped-out on the roadside in Crawford have lost sons? I'll bet its less than 25%. Would you also suggest to them that they have no business in this matter? I doubt it.

Since you've never driven a lap around Daytona in a stockcar, you have no right to cuss Earnhardt for pitting with two laps to go.

Since you've never played QB in the NFL, you have no right to criticize Peyton Manning for throwing an interception.

That seems to be the response people give to anyone who calls Cindy Sheehan for what she is, a liberal whacko anti-American. She has become the face of the anti-war movement, and all the other anti-war freaks will defend her with that one little rhetorical question, "How do you know what its like...? Just as you did, Medican.

Well, I don't know what its like. But unfortunately I know what its like to be utterly appalled by the fact that a mother will stomp on the grave of a voiceless dead soldier and use his death to propagate an ideology that is in complete juxtaposition to the ideals he fought for. That disgusts me.

Obviously Casey Sheehan believed in this cause. He joined the Armed Forces in 2000 and re-enlisted in 2003. He was killed in a rescue mission he volunteered to participate in. Casey Sheehan is the one we should be talking about, not his opportunist mother.

[midcan5]

TNR,

It still gives you no right to label her. You do not know the depth of that loss and you may never. And you do not know her son, you are an ideologue who repeats the ideology to justify a war that has no justification.

And yes I have sons
And yes I have raced cars often too often
And yes I have thrown a football a million times? is that an exaggeration maybe
they are things that can be known

But I am not a mother who has lost a son in a war of changing reasons and for that I cannot speak. But if I were responsible for that death I have a moral responsibility to speak.

[Patriot]

Midcan:

You may have thrown a football. You may have driven a racecar. You may have grown sons. You may have a grip on the liberal mentality. But one thing you definitely don't have, are a set of real balls.

In war, people die. REALITY CHECK. This isn't paintball. If you don't like to see other people get their heads blown (or sawed) off, then look the other way. The folks who are in Iraq, under the US banner, volunteered-- I said volunteered to be there. So, let them do their goddamned jobs while you have a nice hot cup of shut-the-hell-up.

This war isn't going to stop on the whim of some suburban mother who ran out of Prozac. Do we feel for her loss? Of course we do. Is she the only grieving parent these days? Of course not. At least she can be thankful that her son died as an American soldier and not as the result of a drug-overdose.

Take your whining elsewhere.

[midcan5]

Geez, real balls, that's a tough one to define. Let me see, Bush who was a draft dodger has real balls? Or Cheney? Or let's view this another way, Gandhi have real balls? or Martin Luther King, he have real balls? Your simple minded school yard tough guy act is BS.

[Ian]

midcan5 said:

or Martin Luther King, he have real balls?

Why don't you ask the scores of women he nailed outside his marriage.