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Post by TNRighty on Jul 3, 2004 13:09:25 GMT -5
Here's a good story out of Nashville. The Democrat-led election commission is under some serious fire for failing to mail out absentee ballots on time to troops serving in the armed forces. www.tennessean.com/government/archives/04/06/53701084.shtml?Element_ID=53701084I guess the election just sort of snuck up on them. Democrats know who will win the vote in the military and are doing all they can to make it as tough as possible for soldiers to have their votes counted. Al Gore tried the same thing in 2000. The head of the election commission has since been fired thank goodness. Unbelievable! |
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Post by rush22 on Jul 3, 2004 14:59:07 GMT -5
As they should be.
What's more unbelieveable is that you don't know what went on in Florida in 2000.
Katherine Harris, Secretary of the State of Florida, also the head of the Bush Presidential campaign, was the election supervisor during the 2000 elections. She was given a list of 8,000 voters to remove from the list as ineligible ex-felons (compiled by DBT, the first private corporation to regulate voter rolls, and headed by Frank Borman, a prominent Republican). The list was then expanded by DBT to include people with the same birthdate as the ex-felons. Then the list was expanded again to include people with the same last name as the ex-felons. In the end, DBT listed 58,000 names for removal from the Florida ballot boxes. Harris ordered them removed without any verification (although DBT was paid millions of dollars to verify, they didn't bother to do their job). Since then, DBT has admitted to a 15% error rate, or 8700 votes. (Gore lost by 537 votes). Independent investigators have determined that the list could be up to, and in some cases is, 95% incorrect. That's right, 55,100 voters might have been illegally disenfranchised[/color] by the head of the Bush Presidential campaign in Florida. Coincidence?
Don't give dems any of your bs conspiracy theories, we definitely have one up on you.
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Post by rush22 on Jul 3, 2004 15:00:53 GMT -5
Oh, and by the way, she wasn't fired or anything.
Katherine Harris is now a congresswoman.
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Post by BOLO on Jul 3, 2004 18:23:48 GMT -5
What is believable is that you still don't. A flat lie. She is not, and was not, the head of the Republican, or Bush Presidential Campaign. Makes the rest of your story just that, a story. Dems naturally gravitate to conspiracies. They tend to be involved in them. You have NOTHING up on any one. All you have is a STORY. Fact. Al Gore and his Mentor prevented the Absentee Ballots of the Military from being counted. That is a fact Jack. How many Gore votes there? Not many. How many Bush votes? Lots. You got nothing on any one. I just looked at some of the sites touting that story. The Leaning Tower of Pisa doesn't lean that far left. One sided conversations and insertions of innuendo. Allegations of (of course) Racism. You forgot to mention they were all Black. Or did you? Seems the BBC thinks they all were, as well as the individual making the allegations. Amazing. www.choicepoint.net/85256B350053E646/0/16440966B650DEA685256BEB00461242?OpenThis is an eye opening little tidbit. Those with common sense can read and draw the obvious conclusions. You on the other hand, well who knows?  |
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Post by lordjulius7 on Jul 3, 2004 18:30:57 GMT -5
As a foreigner, this sad democratic obsession with Florida seems truly bizarre. Bush won the count according to the electoral law of Florida, upon which all parties were agreed prior to the election. The US supreme court upheld the written law. Where, in the blue hell, is there any cause for argument?
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Post by TNRighty on Jul 3, 2004 18:35:47 GMT -5
Thank you BOLO and Lordjulius!!! Conspiracy theories are just that, THEORIES!!! If they were true, they'd be facts, and Dems won't let facts get in the way of their theories.
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Post by rush22 on Jul 3, 2004 18:41:58 GMT -5
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Post by lordjulius7 on Jul 3, 2004 19:17:57 GMT -5
Two words, Rush - military ballots.
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Post by rush22 on Jul 4, 2004 13:03:01 GMT -5
Well, do something about it, I don't want to hear you complaining the vote wasn't fair, since there is going to be enough democrats complaining. Those serving have a right to vote.
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Post by BOLO on Jul 4, 2004 20:10:17 GMT -5
Did you read the Court Decree? The people sued were NOT from the Gov. That ought to tell you something. They settled for a mere 75,000. That ought to tell you more. The number you put out as being dis-enfranchised is speculative not proved. The company involved has to purge the list. When that is done we will know more. You keep trying to say it was the Republicans, it was not, it was a company hired by the Government of Florida at the direction of the Legislature which included DEMOCRATS . Kathleen Harris is listed as Co Chairwoman, and Campaign Spokes person, depending on what you read, some cite her as W Fla Campaign Co Chairwoman. You said HEAD. She wasn't. Along with that satement was an insinuation which is not born out by the facts. Now this is the second time you have used words like stupid and idiot. How far you intend to go with this childishness? Are you not capable of cogent thought without appellations, and negatives?  |
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Post by rush22 on Jul 5, 2004 1:51:44 GMT -5
Yes I made a mistake, I should not have said "head." Everywhere I checked it said head, only after you said I was wrong (and failed provide the correct answer), did I thoroughly check and found she was the co-chair, not the "head," which is not specific enough as there is no position called "head" and gives the false impression that she was at the top of the hierarchy in the Bush campaign in Florida. Suffice to say, she was an important figure amongst the top members, and I am assuming that "co-chair" means she was one of two or more at the top of the hierarchy. The fact that the people sued by the NAACP were not from the government only means that the people sued by the NAACP were not from the government. In terms of the 2000 ballots, the number I cite, 8700, was admitted to by DBT. DBT admitted a failure rate of 15%, and hence, as a result of the failures, 8700 people were deprived of their votes. This is proven, and admitted to. It is not speculative, so you are wrong. The number 55,100 is speculative, and I said that it was (keywords: might have been). |
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Post by pukaman on Jul 21, 2004 15:45:36 GMT -5
Rig My Election, Please
Just how far will desperate Republicans go to trick America into another BushCo victory?
By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist
Wednesday, July 21, 2004
Semi-clever, ultra-wealthy Bush supporters suddenly donating piles of money to the Nader campaign in an obvious attempt to steal votes from John Kerry? Pshaw. Ptouey. Child's play. Tip of the iceberg. A mere distraction.
We ain't seen nuthin' yet.
This is the time of desperation and anxiety. This is the time of hysterical Orange Alerts and imminent al Quada attacks coming from outta nowhere at any minute and violating our children and kicking our puppies and badly denting our Honda Accords. And yes, this is the time of election-year political tactics coming from the increasingly anxious Right that will make Sun Tzu's "Art of War" look like a cupcake cookbook.
Do you feel it? Can you smell it in the air? The sensation that the Republican party, though various tentacles, will stop at absolutely nothing to maintain power in the White House? It's true. It's the feeling that, during the next few months, it's all about to get very shrill, and very surreal, indeed.
How about another, "imminent" terrorist threat? Pretty much a given, really. Followed, of course, by another. And then another. And then another and another until every other day the newscast features a thick-necked, panicky Tom Ridge saying yes, oh my God yes, we now have definitive proof that terrorists are more or less sort of maybe planning to strike the U.S. maybe very soon and disrupt our shopping and screw with our TV reception and blot out the sun. We just don't know, you know, where, or when, or how, or what the hell to do about it. P.S.; Vote Republican.
Look, times have changed. Of course politics has always been a truly ugly business, and each party's strategy to gain or regain power as election time rolls around has always become increasingly low-down and nasty and mudslinging and soul-cringing and borderline illegal.
But this time it all feels, somehow, different. Uglier. More sadistic.
There is a sense of lawlessness, of desperation, among the Republican party right now. It is no longer a question of simply which party will run the show or which platform will have the most influence on policy. Rather, it's about a radically polarized worldview: are we going to be an aggressive macho globally disrespected isolationist nation who has burned all bridges and molested all foreign relationships and mocked all global sympathy, or are we, as the GOP wants you to believe, going to become some liberal namby-pamby country where gays can marry each other and sexually deviant women can have abortions every day and everybody speaks French?
Because there is no middle ground. This is the GOP message. You are either with us, or you are a terrorist. You are either on the side of the "patriotic," pro-war party of WMD lies and homophobia and violence toward the global community, or you're a liberal hippie 'Nam protester like that jerknose Kerry.
What else could they do to guarantee a November win? What are they capable of, in the wake of 2000's stolen election and the rigging of the Florida recounts and a sneering, despoiled Supreme Court? Just about anything, really.
How about a nice "October Surprise" of suddenly finding Osama somewhere in a remote Afghani cave, as the news media receives an "anonymous" delivery of a big glossy photo of Dubya himself standing outside said cave in a manly flight suit and lookin' all tough in his cowboy boots and confused smirk as he waves an American flag in one hand holds Osama by a chain in the other? What, too obvious?
Well, then, maybe something a bit more devious? How about the thousands of electronic, touch-screen voting machines now installed in the nation's polling places, most every one manufactured by corporations run by staunch Bush-supporting Republicans, many of which don't allow for recounts or paper trails or any means of double-checking their completely programmable results. An obvious recipe for election-rigging? Is that Katherine Harris, giggling through her Botox?
Look. This much is clear. It's not merely going to be dirty politics as usual. It's not going to be mudslinging and name-calling and finger-pointing and policy-wonking, childish little claims of "fuzzy math" and aww-shucks dumb-guy cowboy shtick to appeal to the lower intellects.
It is not going to merely be BushCo spending millions of its enormous war chest, as he already has, to launch incredibly vicious attack ads against Kerry and Edwards that dare to question the veracity and validity of Kerry's many Vietnam war medals or of Edwards' political experience, as Bush himself is the least-qualified president in U.S. history, one who ducked military service and went AWOL and makes all military service people wince in embarrassment.
No, it's going to be far worse. And more nauseating. Who, for example, isn't sighing in appalled disgust as the Pentagon suddenly discovers that, oh my goodness, Bush's own military service records were "accidentally" destroyed? How amazing! And would you believe it, but the records in question just so happened to be the exact months of just those exact years that Bush was supposedly to have "served." What a crazy coincidence! Now we can never really know if he even bothered to show up for duty at all! Gosh, what a shame.
Another possibility: ditching nasty, wan little Dick Cheney entirely. Rumor has it the Angry Puppeteer could be dumped from the ticket very soon, swapped for a less slimy and more human candidate. Maybe a nice, crusty war hero like John McCain? Or a strange, lonely, friendless woman like Condi Rice? A bitter, emasculated Colin Powell? Anything to galvanize the ticket, make it, you know, less ugly and old and warmongering, more palatable and sassy and Edwards-like. This is the new rule: If it might force a victory, the GOP will consider it.
And finally, if all else fails, well, why not just postpone the whole damn election itself?
That's right, simply invent some (non-specific, unsubstantiated) terrorist threat of sufficient hysteria so that BushCo simply has no choice but to delay the vote. The result? Give you gullible, timid voters more time to reconsider your choices and maybe vote based on your fear instead of, you know, your heart, or your soul, or your ethics, or your brain, or your general sense of universal humanitarian progress.
Could it happen? Well, no. Most experts say such a delay is impossible, ridiculous, flagrantly anti-democratic. Doesn't matter. What matters is the galling fact that the GOP even floated the idea in the first place.
So then, let this be a warning. Get ready. Expect the unexpected. Watch the skies, scrutinize the headlines, dust off your stash of duct tape. Because Karl Rove and the cutthroat BushCo war hawks and corporate cronies who run the show aren't about to go down without a screaming, sickening, fiery fight.
And if BushCo has proven anything in the past four violent, budget-gutting, honor-molesting, nearly unbearable years, it's that there ain't no international law that can't be broken, no fear synapse that can't be hammered to death, no fraudulent power tactic that can't be abused. Anything is possible. You have been warned. God bless America
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Post by BOLO on Jul 25, 2004 13:33:54 GMT -5
 Tired, really tired. Hashed, Re-hashed, Chopped into little pieces. Nothng there. Nothing. A statement. Just that, a statement. It remains unsubtantiated. Ergo like all Liberal BS it is an unbolsterd, flagrant, lie. The rest of the Fairy tale is the same. Let us see you, or M&M prove what is said. 
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Post by Matter on Jul 29, 2004 9:12:29 GMT -5
Where, in the blue hell, is there any cause for argument? Hell, don't ask us. It amazes me, as well. It's the whine line that won't die. Some of these folks are only concerned about these discrepancies if they seem to negatively affect them. The voting fraud on Indian Reservations that worked to their advantage? Quiet as a mausoleum. It's not hard to do that particular math.  |
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Post by swamper on Aug 12, 2004 12:29:39 GMT -5
The facts: The Florida legislature voted to enact a law requiring a review of voters to ensure that persons registered in more than one county, deceased persons, and persons otherwise inelgible to vote would be removed from the voting roles. The law was undoubtedly intended to address seven instances of voter fraud in various local elections in Flroida from the Lafayette County Commission election in 1984 up to the Miami mayoral race in 1997. In 1998, two full years before George Bush received the Republican nomination, the Secretary of State for Florida issued a request for bids in compliance with the above mentioned law. That Secretary of State was NOT Katherine Harris. Database Technologies, a significant contributor to Democratic Party candidates and causes, won the bid. Upon researching the review criteria required by the law, DBT informed the state that there would be errors. State officials found this acceptable because local election authorities were required by the law to double check the list before any voter was removed from the roles.The counties in which the alleged removals took place were all controlled by Democrats and the election authorities were primarily Democrats. If anyone was removed from the voter lists in those counties, it was their responsibility. DBT did not purge anyone from the voter roles. On January 5, 1998 the Florida Department of Law Enforcement issued the following statement as part of a report of its study of voter fraud potential in Florida: "Florida has moved toward implementing a centralized statewide voter file. It is to be established and run by the Division of Elections as implemented under Chapter 97-13, Laws of Florida, which became effective 1/1/98. If, and when, all of Florida's voter registration records could be centrally housed in this file, then any polling place or registration processing site could maintain on-line access the central file to determine whether a person has already voted in a particular election or whether the person is registered to vote in more than one jurisdiction. If sufficient identifying information were available in the voter file, the file could be "run" against other state and federal databases to determine whether deceased persons, convicted felons, or others appear to have been inappropriately maintained on the state's voter registration rolls. If sufficient identifying information were available in the voter file, routine audits of registration rolls could be performed to help identify areas of potential fraud concern. However, since Florida's registration requirements do not include essential verifying information such as a Social Security Number, Florida Driver's License number, proof of becoming a naturalized U.S. citizen, or even race, gender, or ethnicity, the ability of any reviewer to truly determine one's identity in the voter file will be severely hampered, if not completely defeated. Consequently, if the voter file is to reach its full potential for fighting fraud, a requirement of significant registration verification information must be returned to Florida's voter registration procedures." You may read the complete report at www.fdle.state.fl.us/publications/voter_fraud.aspThe allegations of conspiracy by the Bush family and Katherine Harris appear to be based solely on the writings of one Gregory Palast, an "investigative" journalist of questionable reliability. His work leans far to the left, almost in the red zone. He has, for example, written in support of Venezuela's Communist president, Hugo Chavez. When alleging this fictional conspiracy by the Bush family, Katherine Harris and DBT, perhaps Mr. Palast forgot to mention the above mentioned report by the FDLE. Or maybe he didn't mention it because it would tend to debunk his allegations. Please check out the website listed above and also checkout a press release by Choicepoint, by querying "Choicepoint Florida voter fraud". swamper |
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