Weapons of Mass Deception

[Ironside]

The shock and awe is over. The Saddam statues are down. Saddam is on the run. Iraq is ransacked, looted. It is costing America $3.9 billion a month to occupy Iraq. One American soldier a day is dying in Iraq. No WMD have been found. There are no nuclear plants. There’s no evidence of ties with al Qaida. There’s also no evidence of a connection to 9/11. There was no eminent threat. Now after the onslaught we find President Bush misled the American people and the world with an accusation from British Intelligence claiming Iraq was shopping for uranium in Africa. Bush didn’t say "The British government claimed to have learned…". He said, "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa".… leading the American people to think the United States had confirmed these allegations. CIA Director George J. Tenet took the fall for breaking under administrative pressure. It's well known he had warned the administration of no CIA collaboration to the British report. The questions now are, why was that line in the speech, who wanted it there and did Bush know of the report showing no collaboration. How can we trust anything the Bush administration says now? With the Republican Party wanting to impeach Bill Clinton for perjury, one would ask… Why shouldn’t the Democrats want to impeach George Bush if he knowingly misled the American people and the world with un-collaborated intelligence from Britain that helped make the case to send our troops into combat with Iraq? Rumsfeld, referring to "weapons of mass destruction," announced: "We know where they are" on March 30, on ABC's "This Week With George Stephanopoulos," Now we know that’s not true. At best it shows what shoddy intelligence we used going into war. How unprepared we were for our case to go to war with Iraq. At worse this is a conspiracy worse than Watergate! No matter, at a time we are within the threat of N. Korea, we can’t let the Bush administration compromise the integrity of the Intelligence of the United States of America! Oh sure, it's nice to see the Saddam Hussein regime gone and there's no doubt that he was in violation of human rights. Liberating Iraq made America no safer. It only made Iraq safer... unless you're an American.

Well, that's my opinion anyway.

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[USA50]

I was overwelmed with the outpouring of protest and debate on this thread. Silence is often golden.

[lordjulius7]

Bush said nothing to imply that US intelligence had corroborated the reports. Indeed, by specifying British intelligence he implicitly said otherwise. British intelligence stands by it's claim. So, Bush accurately reported what British intelligence, then and now, believes to be true.

[USA50]

LJ, so george lies with applomb? That's not news.

Come on, there are more george-deceptions here than that, what about the rest of them....

[lordjulius7]

Uh, did you read my response? the point was that it wasn't a lie.
As for the more, throw them out here, let's see. The first one turned out not to be a lie at all, what else you got?

[Favre]

lordjulius7 said:

Uh, did you read my response? the point was that it wasn't a lie.
As for the more, throw them out here, let's see. The first one turned out not to be a lie at all, what else you got?

No he didn't read it, liberals don't read. They listen to Tom Brokaw and the BBC. Bush cited British Intel, Tony Blair stands by that Intel. The left will never acknowledge the truth. It's pointless to argue with them; they have no brain to work with.

[expat]

Bush said nothing to imply that US intelligence had corroborated the reports. Indeed, by specifying British intelligence he implicitly said otherwise. British intelligence stands by it's claim. So, Bush accurately reported what British intelligence, then and now, believes to be true.

Oh, Pa-lease

Why am I hearing echoes of Bill Clinton saying "I didn't have sex with that woman" (it being a blow job, not intercourse.)

or

"It depends what the meaning of 'is' is"?

Don't be as guilty as Liberals were in blinding defending their jerk through Monika-gate come fact or high water. Our guy is at least as dishonorable, as will be the next few Presidents as long as we allow legislation to the highest bidder.

Facing off into Conservative vs Liberal and throwing stones at each other's glass hous is a laughable example of the pot calling the kettle black.

It's like listening to kids yelling "My dad can't beat your dad," although in our case, if we were truly honest about our system, we ought to crying "My party can bilk the system more than your party".

Until we wake up and realize that both the Dems and Reps are the left and right wing of the Privledge Party and both are taking us for a ride, this spat will only lead us down the road to increasing extremity, on both sides. I used to teach college courses in prison and was amazed how the guards could keep whites fighting blacks fighting hispanics fighting Indians and so on. Divide and conquor has always been power's favorite tool.

This Conservative vs Liberal crap is more of the same.

Clinton was a rip-off. Bush is another.

Demand real campaign finacing reform of all parties, at all levels.

Honor is not merely about not getting fumbling blow jobs in the Oval Office or rape in Arkansas Hotel rooms, bad as that is. It includes selling policy to well-endowed lobbyists. The current administration is as corrupt as any we have ever had, including Grant's and Hayes, and that's saying something.

[AgentOrange]

JUNIOR lied about Iraq. He should be impeached. The blood of several hundred American servicemen are on his filthy hands.

[lordjulius7]

Wow, Agent Orange, that's an intelligent response. Just state "Bush lied about Iraq", that will win the argument. Specify the lie, then we can see if it was indeed lie.

Expat - Which line of what you quoted is wrong?
- Bush did not imply the intelligence was corroborated
- British intelligence stands by its claim
- Ergo, there is no lie

That, to me, is watertight logic. Rather than a generalised rant about 'they're all liars', argue the specifics.

[quinwound]

Wow, Agent Orange, that's an intelligent response.

As least he can spell.

Facing off into Conservative vs Liberal and throwing stones at each other's glass hous is a laughable example of the pot calling the kettle black.

Shure, bash the Liberal.

[MO]

From the rules clearly posted on the top of this board!

If you can't spell well, it's okay, I can't either. Therefore anyone making fun of another visitor's spelling will be mauled.

And you post:

As least he can spell.

and:

Shure, bash the Liberal.

ROFL

add on edit- You quote expat:

Facing off into Conservative vs Liberal and throwing stones at each other's glass hous is a laughable example of the pot calling the kettle black.

I think he would admit he is left of center. Perhaps you should have done some more reading here so you would know where to throw your rocks! Lay off people's spelling errors! I noticed several on your sophomoric web site!

[quinwound]

My post had nothing to do with expat's post, And I don't care about spelling. I was only pointing out that you were so quick to bash the Liberal, out of the 2 problems.

[quinwound]

And I would like to say, I don't mind spelling errors. I make a few myself, and don't mind it. I was only using it as a example.

[MO]

Whatever, hun. I have no idea what you are talking about by "two problems." I can tell you that this is a conservative rant board. All are welcome, but if you are sensitive about liberal bashing this isn't the place for you. You said you wanted to make us question what we believe......I'm still waiting!

[lordjulius7]

More to the point, which word did I spell incorrectly? I can't see one in that post.