Fitness: a Diversionary Topic

[Patriot]

Politics aside, this thread is a recreational discussion for post-aholics anonymous who have become somewhat bored with Abortion, Homosexuality, and Women's Rights.

This thread is meant to discuss physical fitness, bodybuilding, effective use of supplements, and workout routines.

We'll discuss what works, and what doesn't work.

Feel free to join in!

[Ian]

Patriot:

What a fine idea! It's about time the pitiable, pale lumps of tissue who frequent this board learn to do something other than vocalize their inane and vacuous views on the American system of government. Allow me to offer the commencing address to what will surely be an interesting divergence.

Has anyone on the board done punch-out drills? If not I highly recommend them; good for getting in shape and stirring up those revolution-minded chemicals. Here's a demo tape:

www.rossboxing.com/heavybagdrills.wmv

[Patriot]

Thanks Ian.

I'm going to start by throwing in my two cents on the supplement Creatine.

Creatine is not a steroid; it is claimed to be effective for toning and building muscle. I played around with it for awhile, just to test its effectiveness, and wasn't pleased.

Like most supplements which aren't steroids, the effectiveness are slim to none. Don't expect mammoth gains, either in size or strength, from a supplement like Creatine-- or from any supplement, for that matter. Although when it comes to supplements, I recommend "Spike" by Biotest.

The loading phase for Creatine, a period in which the Creatine is ingested during the first week of usage, results in extremely frequent urination (twice or more an hour). Dizziness, muscle soreness, and headaches were also experienced. I didn't want to deal with all that.

I'm in good physical shape myself (not bulky, but more sinewy). My bodyfat percentage is less than 2%. I regularly follow the USMC-OCS-PT routine, which can be downloaded here:

www.ocs.usmc.mil/

A similar version for females is also available on that site. The routines are free and are, in fact, very solid in their approach. Eight weeks of following such a routine results in a heightened increase of upper body strength, tightened abs, and distance running endurance.

[scrap]

Nothing like a good diversionary topic to keep you in shape.

Sorry guys I couldn't help myself.

I gotta tell you I can vouch for that USMC fitness routine.

I wighed 160 #s when I went to Boot Camp, and when I left I was 185#s and solid as a rock. Of course I had a lot of motivation to help me along the way.

Any form of legitimate exercize routines will only work if the user is honest with himself and follows through.

I have no input on the supplement part of this thread, having never used any.

I'm in my mid 50s and still go out everyday to work in a very physical trade, so I keep in shape that way. The only thing I take on a part time basis is aspirin for the every day aches and pains that come with my job.

I know this is a little off topic but it's been some time since I found anything to comment on.

There's an idea....... maybe I should actually start a topic instead of hunting around for something to comment on.

Nah.. I wouldn't want to bore you all. ;D

[Patriot]

Ian, Scrap, et al:


Proboards runs automatic advertisements above a thread compatibile to its topic(s). If you glance above this thread, you'll find a few websites which deal with legal steroids. I'm not personally advocating these substances per se, but since they are are in fact legal, they may be purchased without a prescription. It's worth a perusal, to be sure. The site which caught my eye, in particular, is: www.legalsteroids.com.

Some of us have trained and toned for years. The simple fact of the matter is that a single month, on a substance like Sustenal 250, can result in mass and strength gains similar to five months of traditional strength training. So, I'm just dropping this info for the benefit of those interested.

[Ian]

Thanks for the link Patriot, however let me add that legal doesn't always equal safe.

Legal steroids is the advertisement name for prohormones, prosteroids or steroid precursors. These drugs are not considered steroids under the Anabolic Steroid Control Act because they are not bottled anabolic steroids. They do, however, produce the same side effects as their anabolic counterparts. The difference between an anabolic and precursors is that when someone injects themselves with an anabolic, they are injecting what is in fact a mimicry of testosterone. When someone injects themselves with a precursor, the body converts it into the same testosterone as an anabolic and therefore risks the same side effects as illegal steroids. These precursors are the same type of steroids at the heart of the Baseball Scandal.

One of the side effects that may be associated with precursors is heart disease*.

I don't want this to seem like an attempted all out contradiction of Patriot's previous post, but I want to go on the record as warning people of their risks lest a balding, shriveled teste, acne-ridden, muscle bound TNR comes looking to kick his ass.

*Charles E. Yesalis III, M.P.H., ScD. "Medical, Legal, and Societal Implications of Androstenedione Use: JAMA Editorial," 12/24/02

[Patriot]

Pretty funny, Ian. Like I stated in my post above, I'm not advocating steroids per se. I just dropped the link for those interested.

Also, much as I hate to burst your bubble, many of the "side effects" you listed are avoidable with the use of estrogen blockers. Not all steroids pose a threat of heart-disease (only if taken for years and years on end). One or two cycles or a "test run" won't cause any real damage as long as the person has adequate supervision from a knowledgable pro. Also, let's be sure to differentiate between "injectables" and "orals". The latter are safer as they go through the digestive system (some would call this a drawback), nevertheless, less potency is acquired.

[TNRighty]

As for the creatine thing,

I played baseball in college in the mid 90's and used creatine and DHEA during the offseason as a supplement for my workout routine. For me the creatine had some sterroidal effects in that it allowed me to workout longer and harder. I got good muscle building results while taking it, but there were some side effects. It acted as a diuretic for me. I had to drink about twelve-20 oz bottles of water every day to stay hydrated. I would cycle it 6 weeks on, 6 weeks off, doing the loading stage the first week of each cycle, otherwise I would plateau and just hit a brick wall. When the baseball season came around I stopped taking it because of the hydration thing and noticed pretty rapid strength loss.

As for the DHEA, I only took it during one offseason. I didn't really notice it helping me any.

I work out 5 days a week now and don't take any supplements other than a multi-vitamin. I just try to eat well and drink a lot of water...and beer

[midcan5]

Geez conservatives exercise, I thought all you guys did was attend church, sing patriotic songs, and load ammunition in preparation for Armageddon? New Jersey has a real challenge this month if you are up to it. The Jersey Double, 200 miles starting at 5AM with 7000 feet of climbing. Gonna miss it this year but next year. Do that in 90 plus temperature and humidity and you are doing something. Power bars work the best of any energy food, that combined with lots of liquids before day of marathon, nonfat milk works too and pasta are all you need. Lots of water and ice tea during the event. Gatorade or GU to prevent or if you are bonking. Weight training helps as you get older too. You guys may want to invest in a heavy song book or wrist weights. You could start a new service "lifting with my brethren."

[Ian]

7,000 feet of climbing? I'll have to load at least 14,000 rounds to get in shape for that.

[Patriot]

Thanks for the feedback on Creatine, TNR.

12 glasses of water a day is just way too much. There's no way I'd even find the time to drink so much water. Other supplements, which work quite effectively, require much less water to stay hydrated.

Like I said previously, I'm not a big fan of Creatine. One of the reasons, in addition to all the physical and time stressors involved, is the fact that the gains aren't permanent. Of course, neither are the gains permanent with injectable steroids. However, gains can be permanent with a few oral steroids. I'm thinking D-Bol here. As long as the user keeps up a regular physical regimen, he'll reap what he sows, big-time.

I've known guys who have shot up 15 pounds in bodyweight using oral D-Bol in less than two weeks! Pretty awesome, I must say.

[TNRighty]

midcan5 said:

Geez conservatives exercise, I thought all you guys did was attend church, sing patriotic songs, and load ammunition in preparation for Armageddon? New Jersey has a real challenge this month if you are up to it. The Jersey Double, 200 miles starting at 5AM with 7000 feet of climbing. Gonna miss it this year but next year. Do that in 90 plus temperature and humidity and you are doing something. Power bars work the best of any energy food, that combined with lots of liquids before day of marathon, nonfat milk works too and pasta are all you need. Lots of water and ice tea during the event. Gatorade or GU to prevent or if you are bonking. Weight training helps as you get older too. You guys may want to invest in a heavy song book or wrist weights. You could start a new service "lifting with my brethren."

Medican,

You shouldn't be surprised that conservatives are working out more now. It is, after all, the result of policies you liberals are pushing. You see, with increased gun control we are being forced into hand-to-hand combat. It takes one hell of a physical specimen of a man to wrestle a 12-point buck to the ground. ;D

[Patriot]

Well guys, I'm going to be taking my fitness plan to the next level.

For years, and years, and years I've remained solidly dedicated to the classic exercises of the military. I've maintained an excellent physique as time has passed, thanks largely to those simple yet regular habits of running 6 miles twice a week; and doing 80 pushups before I go to bed.

I'm stronger than my own weight, being able to climb a 20 foot rope without using my legs.

But next month, I'm going to embark on the fitness journey of a lifetime: I'll be experimenting with steroids, in low doses, under the direction of a pro.

I'll be using Dianabol, Stromba, and Nolvadex for a 6 week cycle. All are orals, none of them are injectibles. I'll be reporting back in this thread with regular updates about side-effects and how things are progressing. If this stuff is everything it's cracked up to be, I should finish the six week cycle with an additional 30 pounds of muscle mass. Stay tuned.