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Post by Shamgar on Sept 17, 2004 23:29:22 GMT -5
Ah, the conservatives rally around their favorite war criminal, George Bush. The conservatives proudly go out to shed innocent blood even though the war is illegal. Where are those weapons of mass destruction? The lies were "justified" to start the butchering of innocent men, women and children! Proverbs 6:16-19 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: (unto...: Heb. of his soul) A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, (A proud...: Heb. Haughty eyes) An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren. War mongers will not enter the kingdom of heaven since they are unrighteous murders. www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/09/16/iraq.annan.ap/index.htmlAnnan: Iraq war was 'illegal' Thursday, September 16, 2004 Posted: 3:55 PM EDT (1955 GMT) UNITED NATIONS, New York (AP) -- The U.S. decision to go to war in Iraq without the approval of the U.N. Security Council was "illegal," Secretary-General Kofi Annan told the BBC on Wednesday. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3661976.stm Choice of words matters By Paul Reynolds BBC News Online world affairs correspondent The use of a single word in diplomacy can often mark a significant moment and the UN Secretary General Kofi Annan's use of the word "illegal" about the war in Iraq is one such moment. The BBC's Owen Bennett-Jones cleverly forced Mr Annan's hand, just as a good lawyer will do to a witness in court. This is the exchange: BBC: "So you don't think there was legal authority for the war." Mr Annan: "I have made it clear, I have stated clearly, that it was not in conformity with the UN Charter." BBC: "It was illegal." Mr Annan: "Yes, if you wish."BBC: "It was illegal." Mr Annan: "Yes, I've indicated that it was not in conformity with the UN Charter. From our point of view, from the charter point of view, it was illegal." |
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Post by Evergreen1 on Sept 19, 2004 7:23:00 GMT -5
The only thing Bush did wrong was WAIT an entire year.
The media (and people like you) think that weapons of mass destruction are some kinds of huge missles laying around, maybe buried, etc... but things like ricin, anthrax or a myriad of other biological and chemical weapons could be put in a trunk of a car and carried out of the country! The news never kept questioning those barges that were on the water for months and months, the news never kept on the stories of the weapons and "plans" they DID find in Iraq. The news just kept saying they didn't FIND them. Hussein used them on his OWN people for crying out loud. If they didn't have them, then what was THAT?? Because they didn't FIND them doesn't mean they didn't exist! What do you do, get your news off CBS?
And before Kerry flip flopped on THAT issue too, he even said that Hussein is a very big threat, he said he had weapons of mass destruction, he said we NEED to get him.. these were his OWN words out of his OWN mouth, not some reporter making something up for the masses to parrot.
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Post by scummybear on Sept 19, 2004 8:42:40 GMT -5
Mr. Annan is in no position to call ANYTHING "illegal", or ANYONE a "thug". If you really want to see thugs and illegal activity- take a good look at the UN.
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Post by uac84244525 on Sept 19, 2004 8:51:04 GMT -5
I find it interesting how the U.N. (which was pretty much created thanks to America anyway, and is still funded thanks to America) is so quick to criticize America for a War it deems "illegal", yet is so much quieter about Russia's invasion of Chechnya, Wars in Africa, rebels vs. governments in southeast Asia, etc. Granted, the U.N. does make a few comments here and there, and may even pass a meaningless resolution. But still, when America does something the U.N. as a whole does not like, it complains more than it would if any other country (except Israel) did something similar. I can go on for hours about the U.N., but I'll just conclude simply by calling the organization trash.
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Post by BOLO on Sept 19, 2004 20:43:15 GMT -5
Twould seem shamgar is part of the Muslim Conspiracy. Just another Liberal, leftist party hack. Nothing new to present. Trot out that tired old biblical setting for convenient use. Extract a few excerpts in part then twist them. Leftist love to twist. They should all be Chubby Checker fans.  |
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Post by Shamgar on Sept 20, 2004 0:07:30 GMT -5
The only thing Bush did wrong was WAIT an entire year. So you mean he should have started butchering the innocent sooner? What you have a hunger for innocent blood? The media (and people like you) think that weapons of mass destruction are some kinds of huge missles laying around, maybe buried, etc... but things like ricin, anthrax or a myriad of other biological and chemical weapons could be put in a trunk of a car and carried out of the country! The news never kept questioning those barges that were on the water for months and months, the news never kept on the stories of the weapons and "plans" they DID find in Iraq. The news just kept saying they didn't FIND them. Hussein used them on his OWN people for crying out loud. If they didn't have them, then what was THAT?? Because they didn't FIND them doesn't mean they didn't exist! What do you do, get your news off CBS? Seems to me the military and CIA said publically there were no WMD. Ah . . . they work for your butcher in case you didn't know the connection. Why bother with facts when opinions will be so much easier and quicker. And before Kerry flip flopped on THAT issue too, he even said that Hussein is a very big threat, he said he had weapons of mass destruction, he said we NEED to get him.. these were his OWN words out of his OWN mouth, not some reporter making something up for the masses to parrot. I believe Kerry to be as a big a liar as Bush and his clones. I believe Kerry is just as blood thirsty as you are. |
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Post by Shamgar on Sept 20, 2004 0:14:02 GMT -5
Mr. Annan is in no position to call ANYTHING "illegal", or ANYONE a "thug". If you really want to see thugs and illegal activity- take a good look at the UN. 1. Annan is the Secretaty General of the United Nations. The United States has signed a contract and paid a fee to abide by the laws of the United Nations. Ah, . . . you paid the fee for the United States so if the United Nations is made up of a bunch of thugs engaged in illegal activities, you funded the thugs and their illegal activities. According to the law the person who hires a crimes is guilty of the same crime. That makes you a thug and a criminal, also. 2. Thanks for showing you never read the articles, since Annan never said Bush was a thug . . . . I did. Again why investigate anything when a opinions is so much quicker and less taxing on the brain. |
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Post by Shamgar on Sept 20, 2004 0:29:46 GMT -5
I find it interesting how the U.N. (which was pretty much created thanks to America anyway, and is still funded thanks to America) is so quick to criticize America for a War it deems "illegal", yet is so much quieter about Russia's invasion of Chechnya, Wars in Africa, rebels vs. governments in southeast Asia, etc. Since the United States is such a "noble" country for "pretty much creating and funding" the United Nations then you would think that they would abide by the rules/laws they "pretty much created and funded". For some reason the word "Hypocrite" comes to mind. Since you know people by their fruits, it is obvious that if Bush has no intention of abiding by the laws the United Nations then it makes sense that he would have no intention of abiding by the laws of this nation nor the laws of God. Matt 7:18-20 A good tree cannot bring forth bad fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Therefore by their fruits ye shall know them. It is obvious this country doesn't follow the laws of God, that is why the "justice system" is so corrupt. If the nations justice system is corupt then it will use the same injustice against other countries like Iraq, Bosnia, etc Granted, the U.N. does make a few comments here and there, and may even pass a meaningless resolution. But still, when America does something the U.N. as a whole does not like, it complains more than it would if any other country (except Israel) did something similar. I can go on for hours about the U.N., but I'll just conclude simply by calling the organization trash. You voluntarily fund the trash. Your country was instrmental in "pretty much creating and funding"the United antions. Funny, you seemed to think the "trash" was pretty good during the Gulf War. The word "Hypocrite" seems come to mind. |
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Post by Shamgar on Sept 20, 2004 0:43:33 GMT -5
Twould seem shamgar is part of the Muslim Conspiracy. Just another Liberal, leftist party hack. Nothing new to present. Trot out that tired old biblical setting for convenient use. Extract a few excerpts in part then twist them. Leftist love to twist. They should all be Chubby Checker fans. Sorry, but I am not a liberal. I think they are as much pond scum as the republicans. A true Christian wants a righteous and just system of government. Bush nor Kerry are righteous or just The liberal and republicans only want injustice. Amos 6:12 (1901 American Standard Version)Shall horses run upon the rock? will one plow there with oxen? that ye have turned justice into gall, and the fruit of righteousness into wormwood; Amos 5:7 (1901 American Standard Version)Ye who turn justice to wormwood, and cast down righteousness to the earth, Your type is easy to recognize. A bitter small man. When in confronted with a problem stick out your chest and your marine corp insigna and then blow out hot air until the problems/person goes away or you fall down panting. You have drunk so much of the bitter it just pours out of you. But hey, I am leaping for joy over your slander! Matt 5:11-12 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you , and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. {falsely: Gr. lying} Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you. |
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Post by MO on Sept 20, 2004 1:03:40 GMT -5
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Post by uac84244525 on Sept 20, 2004 1:07:18 GMT -5
"Since the United States is such a "noble" country for "pretty much creating and funding" the United Nations then you would think that they would abide by the rules/laws they "pretty much created and funded"."I wasn't aware that there was a rule that said a nation cannot go to War unless it has the permission of the U.N. I see no rule that we broke. "Since you know people by their fruits, it is obvious that if Bush has no intention of abiding by the laws the United Nations then it makes sense that he would have no intention of abiding by the laws of this nation nor the laws of God."The United Nations is not Bush's authority. Bush's authority as President is the U.S. Constitution, and as a Christian is God. What does the U.N. have to do with that? Stop being a nut. It is obvious this country doesn't follow the laws of God, that is why the "justice system" is so corrupt. If the nations justice system is corupt then it will use the same injustice against other countries like Iraq, Bosnia, etc." What examples do you have of a corrupt justice system? You talk about God so much, so do you prefer Europe where drugs and prostitution are hardly illegal and where people get away with things far more easily? You voluntarily fund the trash. Your country was instrmental in "pretty much creating and funding"the United antions. Funny, you seemed to think the "trash" was pretty good during the Gulf War. The word "Hypocrite" seems come to mind.Any trash can be useful if used properly. Yes, the U.N. was useful in the Gulf War, but really, I don't see much point in the U.N. It's just another bureaucracy that U.S. tax money goes to, and they're a pain in the ass. If we have a War, why go to the damn U.N. and have votes and crap? Just get a bunch of countries together -- a "Coalition of the Willing" -- and go get the job done.
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Post by Evergreen1 on Sept 20, 2004 4:58:58 GMT -5
So you mean he should have started butchering the innocent sooner? What you have a hunger for innocent blood? I'm sorry, I should have realized that you are an Iraqi, I forgot that this board is probably worldwide. I'm still a little new to computers. But see, here in America OUR innocents are priority. I assume you aren't a Kurd either, being that your leader massacred THOSE innocents, but you don't seem to care about them either. My apologies for putting down your people there Shamgar. To give you a little insight into the US, we had tried everything not to hurt innocents, but sometimes it's just a casualty of war. Unlike the people that you admire so much (terrorists, whatever COUNTRY they are from - Your country is a big SPONSOR of terrorism and is just as guilty) who massacred ALL innocents on PURPOSE. Are you a terrorist too or just an Iraqi? Just curious here. |
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Post by Shamgar on Sept 20, 2004 9:09:59 GMT -5
uac84244525 said: "I wasn't aware that there was a rule that said a nation cannot go to War unless it has the permission of the U.N. I see no rule that we broke."
Maybe you can't understand this concept so I will try to explain it to you. For something to be ILLEGAL you have to break a law. Annan said the war in Iraq was ILLEGAL. That makes Bush and you a criminal.
Romans 4:15 (Green's Literal Translation) For the law works out wrath; for where no law is, neither is transgression.
uac84244525:"The United Nations is not Bush's authority. Bush's authority as President is the U.S. Constitution, and as a Christian is God. What does the U.N. have to do with that? Stop being a nut."
Not his authority? Then why is the United States on the Security counsil of United Nations if it is not Bush's authority?
Please explain to me how you can belong to an organization and not be bound by its rules/laws? This should be interesting. The USA has bound itself by CONTRACT to be a supporting member of the UN. Do you understand the concept of the word "Contract"? Have you ever honor a contract? Maybe that is the problem.
uac84244525 said: "What examples do you have of a corrupt justice system? You talk about God so much, so do you prefer Europe where drugs and prostitution are hardly illegal and where people get away with things far more easily?"
I am not talking about Europe's corrupt "justice system". I am talking about the "Policemen of the World's" injustice system, you know, the United States. What corruption? Maybe the concept of a newpaper or news broadcast is foreign to you? I seem to remeber the news reporting on about 30+ Los Angeles policemen were indicted on crimes. There was a big concern about a policemen's purjury was going to release numerous people from prison in California, also Of course, with your rose colored glasses you probably filters out such news. I have no doubt you gripe about the injustice in America on a regular basis but the "honor" of the stars and stripes' injustice system is questioned you will claim it is virgin white. About as virgin white as Britny Spears white wedding gown (What a joke).
uac84244525 said: "Any trash can be useful if used properly. Yes, the U.N. was useful in the Gulf War, but really, I don't see much point in the U.N. It's just another bureaucracy that U.S. tax money goes to, and they're a pain in the ass. If we have a War, why go to the damn U.N. and have votes and crap? Just get a bunch of countries together -- a "Coalition of the Willing" -- and go get the job done."
Spoken like a true hypocrite. As long as the "trash" goes along with your injustice, they are "acceptable trash". Why go to the United Nations a get votes? According to the modern church's interpretation everyone is to bow down to their legal authority. The United Nations is Bush's legal authority by CONTRACT. That makes him a sinner in the eyes of the present day interpetation of Scriptures (which of course is vomit from the vomit slingers)
Romans 13:1 Let every soul be subject to the higher powers. For there is no power but from God: the powers that are, are ordained by God. {ordained: or, ordered}
See what a psuedo-christian Bush is? He claims to be a follower of Jesus Chist but doesn't follow His commands. That makes him a hypocrite.
Get the job done? You mean get the butchering started because you have the hunger for blood. Oh, by the way your "job" is not getting done since I was seeing on the news that the CIA has a report saying that Iraq is more than likely headed toward civil war. I am sure at that time you will claim civil war is "stablity" then, also.
Evergreen1 said "I'm sorry, I should have realized that you are an Iraqi, I forgot that this board is probably worldwide. I'm still a little new to computers. But see, here in America OUR innocents are priority. I assume you aren't a Kurd either, being that your leader massacred THOSE innocents, but you don't seem to care about them either. My apologies for putting down your people there Shamgar."
Ah, maybe you didn't know it but Shamgar is a name from the Christian Scriptures, not a pagan document. Hey, dust your copy (I am giving you the benefit of the doubt) off and actually open it and give it a read you might learn something.
Your "INNOCENTS are a priority"? So shedding innocent blood is acceptable to you. Thanks for the confession.
Evergreen1 said "To give you a little insight into the US, we had tried everything not to hurt innocents, but sometimes it's just a casualty of war. Unlike the people that you admire so much (terrorists, whatever COUNTRY they are from - Your country is a big SPONSOR of terrorism and is just as guilty) who massacred ALL innocents on PURPOSE. Are you a terrorist too or just an Iraqi? Just curious here."
Tired not to hurt innocents? Is that why the US is using depleted uranium in it tanks rounds and bunker busting shells. They have shown the luekemia rate has dramtically risen in Iraq after the Gulf War. How can the US claim to innocents when it is guilty of using "dirty bombs"?
The United States created Osm bin Landin. The CIA trained him in terrorism. The United States funded the overthrow of Iraq back in the 60's whch put the Baath party into power. The United States put the Taliban into power. The United States has created many terro groups, they just call them "Freedom Fighters". (By the way these were all facts reported in the news, also) Some "Freedom". It is obvious you are a terrorist since your fund the terror (evil) being spread by theUnited States in the name of "peace".
Romans 3:8 And not rather , (as we are slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose condemnation is just.
Jeremiah 6:14 They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace. {hurt: Heb. bruise, or, breach}
Yes, you have earned the title of "Thug". I am sure you will wear it proudly!
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Post by Evergreen1 on Sept 20, 2004 9:54:00 GMT -5
and Saddam is not a thug...
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Post by MO on Sept 20, 2004 11:04:38 GMT -5
 Sounds like a pompous, self righteous view of Christianity. By that standard, everyone is a hypocrite. Romans 10 3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. 4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
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