Post by DewiS on Sept 1, 2004 12:45:28 GMT -5
Here a message from Kerry friendly Europe, don't be mistaken there many who not blind to the true nature of this flipflopper.
My name is Dewi Sudarsono, a Hindu fro Bali Indonesia, now living in the Netherlands. Here is the site I oerate together with true friends of the US and presient Bush. www.eshoju.org
Extract from and article by us:
Full article at :www.eshoju.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=541
There may be some questions as to the relevance of the Vietnam War, and in particular the socio-political undercurrents that have led to the de facto defeat in the political arena, to the war against Islam Terrorism.
In the course of this article I will show that, like the here included article points out:
"...The only way that Iraq can really be turned into another Vietnam is if the US again undergoes another crisis of confidence as it did 30 odd years and ago..." (full article "Iraq No Vietnam" included)
we are at risk to create another Vietnam by adopting the very same approach as 30 years ago by the peace movement.
One aspect of the current situation in Iraq, we should not ignore, is the establishment of free havens outside of Allied and Iraqi Government control. What many may wel be unaware of that after the Thet offensive was succesfully quelled continueing left-wing liberal political pressure aimed at (1) Vietnamization of the conflict (2) weakening the administrations ability to effectively wage war, ultimately caused the errection of VC/ANVR pockets throughout the South.
Without going into detail the process of Vietnamization, with the South specked with enemy pockets, ultimately lead to the fall of Saigon.
In Iraq we are looking at an interim Government faced with an insurgency that increasingly is undermining the Governments ability to exert itself. The recent peace agreement brokered (arranged and pre-planned) by El Sistani effectively amounts to the establishment of free havens in the cities of Kufa and Najaf ruled by Islamists rather than the interim government.
At the same time the US leftwing (and Europe as its greatest friends) is increasingly profiling itself along the lines of the peace movement during the Vietnam war.
People like Moore, financed and supported by the Kerry campaign, are the catalysts for the reemergence of popular resitance against the war. At the same time a disproportional amount of attention is focussed on the socalled "atrocities" commited by the US forces in Iraq (Abu Graib) while conveniently the barbaric acts of the Islam insurgents in Iraq are largely ignored. Just like this was the case in Vietnam.
Kelly was depicted as the great Satan over Mi Lay, while the troops experienced untold cruelities commited by the VC aginst their prisoners. In places like Mi Lay the troops were confronted with VC terrorist firing from behind the vilage populations.
The uni-directional focus on socalled American atrocities both in the case of Vietnam and Iraq are and were an essential ingredient for undermining the war effort.
A new peace movement operating in similar ways as during the Vietnam war combined with a President, who earlier promoted a witdrawal from Vietnam under the conditions as outlined earlier, is a sure road to defeat, not only in Iraq but in the War Against Islam Terrorism.
Kerry on withdrawal:
"...Mr. KERRY. Well, Senator, this, obviously is the most difficult question of all, but I think that at this point the United States is not really in a position to consider the happiness of those people as pertains to the army in our withdrawal. We have to consider the happiness of the people as pertains to the life which they will be able to lead in the next few years.
If we don't withdraw, if we maintain a Korean-type presence in South Vietnam, say 50,000 troops or something, with strategic bombing raids from Guam and from Japan and from Thailand dropping these 15,000 pound fragmentation bombs on them, et cetera, in the next few years, then what you will have is a people who are continually oppressed, who are continually at warfare, and whose problems will not at all be solved because they will not have any kind of representation.
The war will continue. So what I am saying is that yes, there will be some recrimination but far, far less than the 200,000 a year who are murdered by the United States of America, and we can't go around -- President Kennedy said this, many times. He said that the United States simply can't right every wrong, that we can't solve the problems of the other 94 percent of mankind. We didn't go into East Pakistan; we didn't go into Czechoslovakia. Why then should we feel that we now have the power to solve the internal political struggles of this country?
We have to let them solve their problems while we solve ours and help other people in an altruistic fashion commensurate with our capability. But we have extended that capacity; we have exhausted that capacity, Senator. So I think the question is really moot..."
How is that for a crisis of confidence or rather total lack of guts to see a war out.
My name is Dewi Sudarsono, a Hindu fro Bali Indonesia, now living in the Netherlands. Here is the site I oerate together with true friends of the US and presient Bush. www.eshoju.org
Extract from and article by us:
Full article at :www.eshoju.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=541
There may be some questions as to the relevance of the Vietnam War, and in particular the socio-political undercurrents that have led to the de facto defeat in the political arena, to the war against Islam Terrorism.
In the course of this article I will show that, like the here included article points out:
"...The only way that Iraq can really be turned into another Vietnam is if the US again undergoes another crisis of confidence as it did 30 odd years and ago..." (full article "Iraq No Vietnam" included)
we are at risk to create another Vietnam by adopting the very same approach as 30 years ago by the peace movement.
One aspect of the current situation in Iraq, we should not ignore, is the establishment of free havens outside of Allied and Iraqi Government control. What many may wel be unaware of that after the Thet offensive was succesfully quelled continueing left-wing liberal political pressure aimed at (1) Vietnamization of the conflict (2) weakening the administrations ability to effectively wage war, ultimately caused the errection of VC/ANVR pockets throughout the South.
Without going into detail the process of Vietnamization, with the South specked with enemy pockets, ultimately lead to the fall of Saigon.
In Iraq we are looking at an interim Government faced with an insurgency that increasingly is undermining the Governments ability to exert itself. The recent peace agreement brokered (arranged and pre-planned) by El Sistani effectively amounts to the establishment of free havens in the cities of Kufa and Najaf ruled by Islamists rather than the interim government.
At the same time the US leftwing (and Europe as its greatest friends) is increasingly profiling itself along the lines of the peace movement during the Vietnam war.
People like Moore, financed and supported by the Kerry campaign, are the catalysts for the reemergence of popular resitance against the war. At the same time a disproportional amount of attention is focussed on the socalled "atrocities" commited by the US forces in Iraq (Abu Graib) while conveniently the barbaric acts of the Islam insurgents in Iraq are largely ignored. Just like this was the case in Vietnam.
Kelly was depicted as the great Satan over Mi Lay, while the troops experienced untold cruelities commited by the VC aginst their prisoners. In places like Mi Lay the troops were confronted with VC terrorist firing from behind the vilage populations.
The uni-directional focus on socalled American atrocities both in the case of Vietnam and Iraq are and were an essential ingredient for undermining the war effort.
A new peace movement operating in similar ways as during the Vietnam war combined with a President, who earlier promoted a witdrawal from Vietnam under the conditions as outlined earlier, is a sure road to defeat, not only in Iraq but in the War Against Islam Terrorism.
Kerry on withdrawal:
"...Mr. KERRY. Well, Senator, this, obviously is the most difficult question of all, but I think that at this point the United States is not really in a position to consider the happiness of those people as pertains to the army in our withdrawal. We have to consider the happiness of the people as pertains to the life which they will be able to lead in the next few years.
If we don't withdraw, if we maintain a Korean-type presence in South Vietnam, say 50,000 troops or something, with strategic bombing raids from Guam and from Japan and from Thailand dropping these 15,000 pound fragmentation bombs on them, et cetera, in the next few years, then what you will have is a people who are continually oppressed, who are continually at warfare, and whose problems will not at all be solved because they will not have any kind of representation.
The war will continue. So what I am saying is that yes, there will be some recrimination but far, far less than the 200,000 a year who are murdered by the United States of America, and we can't go around -- President Kennedy said this, many times. He said that the United States simply can't right every wrong, that we can't solve the problems of the other 94 percent of mankind. We didn't go into East Pakistan; we didn't go into Czechoslovakia. Why then should we feel that we now have the power to solve the internal political struggles of this country?
We have to let them solve their problems while we solve ours and help other people in an altruistic fashion commensurate with our capability. But we have extended that capacity; we have exhausted that capacity, Senator. So I think the question is really moot..."
How is that for a crisis of confidence or rather total lack of guts to see a war out.