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Post by maxroku on Sept 11, 2004 0:26:21 GMT -5
These Colors Do run the world.  [/quote] Just a quick query from a newbie, do you actually mean this? Do you want the US to run the world? |
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Post by BOLO on Sept 11, 2004 18:44:12 GMT -5
There are many ways to interpret things. You just chose one. You have to put it in context with Vinny's asinine remarks. I make no reference to wanting the US to run the world. I infer, and in this I am correct, America by it's example, and leadership, does run the World. Where ever we go or what ever we do, the rest of the World responds to that. We lead, they follow. Some stride along with us but all are influenced in some manner by our actions or in actions. Do I want the US to run the world. No. Do I mind that we do so by influence? No. The practical reality is the practical reality. PS. When you hit the Quote button. |
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Post by pukaman on Sept 12, 2004 10:21:45 GMT -5
Apocalypse Bush!
Why care for the planet when the End Times are almost here? Vote Bush and
hop on the salvation train!
ÊÊ
By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist
Wednesday, September 8, 2004
Mark Morford's Notes & Errata column appears every Wednesday and Friday on
SF Gate, unless it appears on Tuesdays and Thursdays, which it never does. Subscribe to this column at sfgate.c
Ê
This is the great thing about rabid fundamentalism. You really just don't
have to give a damn.
ÊTake the environment. I mean, isn't it just a little pointless to care so
damn deeply about the air and the soil and the water and the stupid little
disposable animals on this silly spinning ball of expendable rock when the
Second Coming is imminent and a blood-soaked fire-breathin' Jesus who looks
remarkably like Mel Gibson will return very soon to smite the heathens and
the gays and the vegetarians and the Francophiles, and who will rescue all
those who worship patriarchy and country music and blue-chip oil portfolios?
You're goddamn right it is.
ÊLook. This much has become clear. Bush is, more than anything else, an
extreme fundamentalist Christian. He is widely regarded as the most openly
pious and sanctimonioous president in modern American history. He actually
preaches the GOP screed in evangelical churches across America. He panders
so slavishly to the anti-choicers and the Bible-thumpers and the homophobes
it makes Jerry Falwell swoon and giggle.
ÊAnd Bush actually says, out loud, that God speaks through him, and that God
is on our side [when] we bomb the living crap out of Afghanistan and Iraq and that
it is the Almighty's wish that we take control of these angry pip-squeak
nations and in so doing kill thousands of civilians and tens of thousands of
young Iraqi soldiers, as over 1,000 American soldiers are now dead over a
makeshift cause that never really existed. God wanted it this way, that's
why.
ÊBush has called Jesus his "favorite philosopher." He has claimed that the
act of being "born-again" saved him from a long, sad life of vaguely
homoerotic frat parties and repetitive binge drinking and going AWOL from
the National Guard, all so he could turn his full attention to righteously
ruining multiple businesses and then making Texas the most murderous and
polluted state in the union.
ÊBut, you know, why stop there?
ÊGod, of course, isn't just about the current Iraqi war. Bush understands
this. Nor is God just about slamming gays or creating nasty, isolationist
foreign policy. God is not merely about setting those gul-dang Muslim
heathens straight about who is the supreme big-daddy all-powerful
mega-righteous SUV-drivin' American-flag-wavin' God and who is just a
dimestore wannabe false idol scruffy Allah.
ÊBecause above all, God is nothing if not all about putting a quick and
fiery stop to all this Earthly nonsense ASAP. He is nothing if not all about
the coming apocalypse. And He is nothing if not all about saving those who
believe, as Bush does, that he is among the chosen to be saved.
ÊThis is the fundamentalist truth. And this is the BushCo maxim. The End
Times provide the ultimate meaning, the final straw, the only thing worth
caring about, because it defines the BushCo worldview like nothing else
except maybe embarrassing grammar and crushing deficits and a secret craving
for gin. You can see it in his sad, vacant eyes: Bush is absolutely
convinced that God is a Republican. Why else would He create all those cool
M-1 tanks and oil refineries and those neat deer-antler chandeliers?
Exactly.
ÊDo you see? Do you get it? If not, you haven't been reading nearly enough
of those silly pulpy sociopathic gazillion-selling "Left Behind" doomsday
books so frighteningly adored by the Christian Right. It's simple, really:
The world is gonna end real soon. The End Times are comin'. All the signs
are in place -- famine, war, disease, sodomy, fires, hurricanes, Avril
Lavigne -- and Bush, by instigating holy wars and inciting more terrorism
and burning through the planet's natural resources as fast as humanly
possible, is merely hastening the blessedly inevitable. As his fellow
fundamentalists say, God bless him.
ÊHey, it explains a lot, this view. It explain how Bush can just smirk and
mumble and, with one big, heartless shrug, dismiss the complete lack of WMD
and the loss of 1.6 million U.S. jobs and the nation's staggering $422
billion budget deficit. Pay down the national debt? Bah. Planet's going to
hell anyway, people. Stock up on nuclear missiles and get yourself an escape
pod. Can't afford one? Whatta shame.
ÊIt surely explains the general GOP hatred of gay marriage, of open-hearted
sex, of those wicked, sin-inducing vaginas (that harlot Eve is gonna pay,
dammit), of environmentalism, of caring about air quality and water quality
and the EPA and organic foods and homeopathic medicine and resource
management and the Alaska Wildlife Refuge and the U.N. and any country that
doesn't have a McDonald's and a Starbucks and a decent strip club for lonely
gin-soaked Republican expats.
ÊAnd it explains not only the outright contempt for any view other than
Bush's own, but the willingness to legislate that hatred, codify it, to make
it outright illegal to think or feel or love otherwise.
ÊLook at it this way: When you have an angry, patriotic God and the red-hot
promise of the juicy apocalypse on your side, there is no such thing as a
counter-argument. There is no such thing as competition. There is no such
thing as giving a damn what anyone else thinks.
ÊHow else do you explain it? How else can you understand the most
aggressive, war-hungry, abusive, nature-loathing, isolationist
administration in American history? How else can you explain BushCo's
overall "F" grade from every environmental organization in the world? How
can you explain his mauling of long-term Social Security planning? The
decimation of the idea of universal health care? A pre-emptive,
attack-first-ask-questions-never, warmongering policy that creates more
anti-U.S. hatred by the minute?
ÊHow can you explain the fact that every human rights organization on the
planet is appalled by Bush's actions? Guantanamo Bay to Abu Ghraib to John
Ashcroft to the Patriot Act to gutting funding for international women's
health care. Hey, if God had wanted us to care about other viewpoints, He
would've made everyone speak English. Can I get a "hell yeah?"
ÊThis lust for apocalyptica, then, is perhaps the best way we have to at
least partially understand the shamelessness of this administration's
policies and its blatant disregard for international law, its open hatred of
any nation that disagrees with us and the deep, profound concern only for
nations that either cower in our God-flexin' presence and/or have resources
that Bush's corporate pals are salivating to exploit.
ÊAnd it is the perhaps ultimate explanation for the Right's final cattle
call, its bitter war cry of a message, its exact parallel to every
pseudo-religious evangelical scam artist on late-night cable TV.
ÊListen, good people of America. If you just send your money to the party
and give up all that careful, nuanced thinking, if you just quit
questioning our decisions and load up on blind faith, it will all be OK and
you can have all the guns and fast food you want and those terrifying gays
will leave you alone because BushCo will take care of you and God will
reserve your seat on the glory train to salvation. Deal? Praise Jesus!
Praise Bush/Cheney! Hallelujah you are saved! Even as we are, you know,
doomed.
ÊIsn't bogus salvation fun?
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Post by scummybear on Sept 12, 2004 22:51:35 GMT -5
Why do you guys post the same slop all over the forum?
It would be one thing if you had something credible or even remotely interesting to say. You must have strained your little peach seed real hard to find this lovely masterpiece of mouthy metaphors and trashy tripe.
Did you think that pasting this crap all over the place makes it any more believable?
Try posting something BEFORE you smoke marijuana. You may suprise yourself!
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Post by UncleVinny on Sept 15, 2004 12:59:12 GMT -5
Today's paper (Sept. 15) - Independent government analysts estimate Bush's policies will result in a deficit of $ 3 TRILLION (with a "T"!). And STILL the flag-waving war mongers support this guy! What amazing stupidity - all for the cost of a deceptive war. These colors don't run the world! |
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Post by BOLO on Sept 15, 2004 21:35:34 GMT -5
Dear Imbecile Uncle Vinny. Unc. You are really ignorant. Here's why. You Don't cite what or which paper. You cite an independent government analysts. This is an oxymoron. Is this person Independent, or Government? It says Estimate. This means it is not exact, and will change going lower, or higher. Lower probably. This again is where you are dumb. Everyone (but you) knows the economy is growing, and the Economic Experts at The Wall St Journal, and other papers, and magazines associated with the Economy say the Deficit will be lower as more money is rolling in. You seem think (as usual) all you have to do is C&P and we will believe it. I am a flag waver, one you believe to be stupid. I return the favor you ignorant wharf rat. Picture of vinny to follow.  I am a war monger? Ah!.... Then what were Osama and the Boys? Peace lovers. You know what you imbecile, you don't have a reason for existing. Try disappearing. Forever. Houdini. The war is deceptive to your kind. You don't understand, defense, and all that patriotic stuff. Well that's all unc. You remain forever a vacuous and insipid little man with a large chip on your shoulder and sawdust for brains. These COLORS don't run. These COLORS do run the world. GBA. |
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Post by UncleVinny on Sept 17, 2004 11:25:19 GMT -5
Looks like the southeastern United States will be hit by yet another storm. Scientists say the storms are much more intense due to global warming, which generates greater evaporation. Global warming comes mostly from man-made activities, such as burning coal and fuel oils. Luckily, environmentalists are trying to put a cap on emissions to reduce such global warming, but people like Shrub, totally pro-business, don't care about the environment. Isn't it ironic that his brother shrub is governor of Florida, again hit badly.
Well, let's see, we could send in the National Guard to help - WHOOPS!! they're off fighting a WAR somewhere!
Too bad, maybe the soccer moms could clean up the state.
Bush and his oil buddies are bringing America down, phenomonal DEBT is bankrupting the country so his Enron oil friends can steal billions from consumers.
Oh yeah! Stay the course!! Shrub will lead all the dumb flag wavers over a cliff, just like the Pied Piper. Blind leading the blind and both shall fall into a ditch
What unbelievable stupidity!
Iraq is a quagmire. Troops are stretched too thin.
Torture prisons in the name of spreading freedom. Government admits no weapons in Iraq. Economy going down the tubes, old folks cannot pay for their medications, but the rich folks get a tax break.
Yeah, that's not MY president.
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Post by BOLO on Sept 17, 2004 14:57:45 GMT -5
Excellent. America appreciates that. Your President, Putin, appreciates it also. These COLORS Don't run. These COLORS do run the world. |
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Post by TNRighty on Sept 17, 2004 15:59:51 GMT -5
I'm getting tired of debunking Vinny's arguments, but I'll do it yet once again. First of all, lets talk about the difference between a "deficit" and a "budget". A "budget" reflects the amount of money Bush expects the government to spend during the upcoming fiscal year. A deficit is equal to the absolute value of spending minus tax revenue for that same fiscal year. The $3 trillion number that UV tossed out there is Bush's proposed 2005 BUDGET!!! (I've heard its somewhere around $2.6 trillion, but I'll just assume for argument sake its $3 trillion). Even if Bush spent $300 billion in 2005 on national defense, that's still only 10% of his proposed BUDGET for 2005.
As an aside, I think a $3 trillion budget is OUTRAGEOUS! The founders of this country would roll over in their graves if they knew how much money we're spending on welfare programs and assorted plethoras of rediculous government beurocracies and regulatory agencies. This country should operate on a yearly budget of less than $1 trillion, and thats being generous. Government is spending too much money, with that I agree. But national defense is not the problem. Social and welfare spending is OUT OF CONTROL!
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Post by TNRighty on Sept 17, 2004 16:30:17 GMT -5
So its Bush's fault we got hit by the hurricanes. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid, UV. I was waiting for someone to bring this up. I'm not surprised. After all, it was Bush's great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandfather who was responsible for the extinction of dinosaurs. The Bush family was also responsible for the ice caps melting 1 BILLION YEARS AGO. I saw an interview on TV where another Kool-Aid drinking global warming whacko was asked to explain this year's cooler-than-normal summer. He said something to the effect that cool water from melting ice caps had flowed from the poles and thus cooled the ambient air temperature. Okie Dokie, if you say so.
Listen, there is place for environmental conciousness. But these anti-capitalist, anti-American liberal whackos are doing more damage than good. They'd have you believe Bush is going down to the banks of the Potomac every night and dumping carbon tetra-chloride in the river. These people don't care about the environment. This is purely political. Have you ever heard them attack Clinton or Carter? Coal and nuclear power plants were cranking out pollution under their administrations, also.
Environmentalists (i.e. the sixties retread hippie tree hugging throw-your-body-in-front-of-a-bulldozer type) have NEVER done ANYTHING that has contributed to the scientific knowledge that has resulted in cleaner fuels. These innovations have been developed by highly intelligent, fantastically educated chemists, physists, biologists, nuclear engineers, and mathematicians among others. So, shut your mouth and let the smart people do the right things for the RIGHT REASONS. Go find another drum to beat.
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Post by UncleVinny on Sept 18, 2004 19:45:33 GMT -5
I'll be back.
I'll be back when Shrub has to institute a draft to get people to go to Iraq.
I'll be back Shrub has to RAISE taxes to pay off the trillions in debt that accumulate from the needless war.
I'll be back when your household wages sink another $1500 because of huge deficits and jobs going overseas.
What fools to fall for those dumb arguement.
It's like saying there's gangs loose downtown; we need to borrow your car to go fight them. That's what's happening to all the families in America, and even more stupid are the people who gladly give their resources thinking this is a justified form of violence.
Sometimes I'm just ASHAMED of America, and it's not just for the Abu Graib fiasco.
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Post by uac84244525 on Sept 19, 2004 8:53:21 GMT -5
Why is there a clearly liberal Thread here when this is a conservative Forum? Perhaps it's because liberals have absolutely nothing worthwhile to discuss amongst themselves, and so they feel the need to spam their idiocy elsewhere? Just a theory.
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Post by BOLO on Sept 19, 2004 12:24:17 GMT -5
The feeling is returned. Since you are not an American why would we care? These COLORS don't run. These COLORS do run the World. Learn it. Love it. 
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Post by scummybear on Sept 19, 2004 13:14:13 GMT -5
I'll be back. I'll be back when Shrub has to institute a draft to get people to go to Iraq. I'll be back Shrub has to RAISE taxes to pay off the trillions in debt that accumulate from the needless war. I'll be back when your household wages sink another $1500 because of huge deficits and jobs going overseas. What fools to fall for those dumb arguement. It's like saying there's gangs loose downtown; we need to borrow your car to go fight them. That's what's happening to all the families in America, and even more stupid are the people who gladly give their resources thinking this is a justified form of violence. Sometimes I'm just ASHAMED of America, and it's not just for the Abu Graib fiasco. After November, Uncle Ninny, When Bush is RE-elected president, will you promise to just not come back at all? Will you promise to go be ashamed of America somewhere else? Like France? You were kind-of amusing at first, with all the demands for intellectual debate, yet with all the whacky, extreme, unproven, unfounded acusations about the administration; but now it's getting old, just like the overly worn-out, blown-up Abu Graib prison "scandal", which you guys seem to think represents all of the America which you hate with all of your heart (as evidenced by yourwords). And no, I don't think it's "sometimes" that you're ashamed. I think it's all of the time. You're ashamed of your country(if you are really even from this country), yourself, or anyone with a spine. Those figures you just threw out there are just that: Thrown out there. This is Michael Moore mathematics, and you know it (meaning absolute rubbish). Go find a reliable source and look at the numbers. Have any idea how much Kerry's plan for America will cost? His Hillaryesque health care plan alone was proposed to be 1.5 trillion. Slashing our nation's defense (which is what he plans to do) will cost more than you could possibly imagine. I'm not rich, but I'm not poor; my household income has increased, and continues to do so. Your "gangs downtown" analogy is absurd. It could have been you or your family in any of those places that were attacked on 9/11. Since when did protecting ourselves from other threats become a "dumb argument" ?? There are other places to live on the planet. I'm sure that some of the sell-out countries like Germany and France would welcome you with open olive branches. All we are saying. . . is give war a chance. |
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Post by BOLO on Sept 19, 2004 13:24:18 GMT -5
;D
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