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Post by scummybear on Feb 17, 2004 9:16:45 GMT -5
Life in prison with an option to assume room temperature would be ok with me. Just as long as life means life. I don't know if you have ever heard of a serial killer named Kenneth Allen McDuff (Texas), who was paroled(??) after killing at least 14 people. He killed again after being released, and was captured again and then executed. My only problem with the life sentence is that blunders to occur, although rare I'm sure. The McDuff case is just one of several incidents where a maniacal butcher was returned to the streets to continue his blood lust. There have also been cases in which a murderer has told his captors, that if released, they would kill again; and do. These people will NOT be rehabilitated. No matter what any pointy-headed professor says about the "human condition."
Susan Sarandon might show us that there is a soul in everyone IN THE MOVIES. But in real life, whatever soul the psychopath possesed is long gone- taken at birth.
I have long been fascinated with the anti-social personality, since I have worked with a few. I can tell you that after a while, you can really see what they are all about--- "ME".
I'm for anything that keeps them off of the streets, be it death or "Life".
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Post by Spunk on Feb 17, 2004 17:50:25 GMT -5
Scummybear is right. People like Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, Jeff Dahmer and the like are not rehab-able. Make your case, present your case, flip the switch, and save the taxpayers some money. To be fair maybe we should allow them 2 appeals. If they can't reverse a verdict after a fair trial and two attempts to change our mind, we should stop burdening the taxpayers. I don't neccesarily agree with the death penalty based on my own values, but people like this make a strong case for its' implementation.
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Post by Walter on Feb 17, 2004 17:58:34 GMT -5
I have a real problem with the idea that the death penalty is necessary just to prevent mistakes like McDuff from happening.
The issue is broad and involves judicial activism and other human error, but if the anti-DP crowd can agree to a LISC (Life In Solitary Confinement) sentence with a death option for the convict as a capital sentence, then the process can be made irreversible by law (except, of course, in San Francisco, where they make up their laws as they go along.)
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Post by Yukon on Mar 11, 2004 9:38:55 GMT -5
I oppose the death penalty completely. I cannot think of an instance where I would condone state sanctioned, cold-blooded murder as a form of punishment. We in the USA are the only country in the western world that applies capiutal punishment. As such we are in-bed with such bastions of democracy as: Iraq, Iraq, North Korea, China, South Africa, etc. etc.
It is wrong ! Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord !
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Post by MO on Mar 11, 2004 14:21:08 GMT -5
Yukon- Your words of wisdon  from the abortion thread! From the "Politics and the Bible" thread, you say: In this thread you say: The death penalty is legal, too. Do you have anyhing to add besides your egotism and hypocrisy? |
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Post by Spunk on Mar 11, 2004 18:39:01 GMT -5
The death penalty may be wrong. After all, God lays it out in our instruction manual (The Holy Bible) that we are not to kill one another and that vengence will be His. He does not mention however that we can't use the worst criminals for medical experimentation. I'm all for that!!! |
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Post by MO on Mar 11, 2004 19:13:15 GMT -5
There is no Biblical reason to be against the death penalty. The commandment is best translated "Thou shall not murder." The Bible makes distinctions between killing and murdering.
Acts 7
57At this they covered their ears and, yelling at the top of their voices, they all rushed at him, 58dragged him out of the city and began to stone him. Meanwhile, the witnesses laid their clothes at the feet of a young man named Saul.
59While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit."
1 Kings 2
32 The LORD will repay him for the blood he shed, because without the knowledge of my father David he attacked two men and killed them with the sword. Both of them-Abner son of Ner, commander of Israel's army, and Amasa son of Jether, commander of Judah's army-were better men and more upright than he.
Deuteronomy 17
7 The hands of the witnesses must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people. You must purge the evil from among you.
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Whoso neglects learning in his youth, Loses the past and is dead for the future. ~Euripides
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Post by Chelle on Mar 18, 2004 22:41:17 GMT -5
I oppose the death penalty completely. I cannot think of an instance where I would condone state sanctioned, cold-blooded murder as a form of punishment. We in the USA are the only country in the western world that applies capiutal punishment. As such we are in-bed with such bastions of democracy as: Iraq, Iraq, North Korea, China, South Africa, etc. etc. It is wrong ! Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord ! That's strange. I can think of the perfect instance. Someone murders my children, or abuses them physically or sexually... they won't have to worry about receiving the death penalty from a judge and jury. I'll take care of it, myself. I have a real problem with executing just *anyone*. Meaning, to lump together all criminals into one cell and just arbitrarily put them all to death, isn't the answer. However, I do believe there are certain crimes that need to have the death penalty sentence instituted. For the record, I am against abortion. Why..... you may ask... when I support the death penalty? And no, I don't consider it to be hypocritical in the least. Abortion: The taking/ending of an innocent life. Capitol Punishment: The taking/ending of a life that has been brutally lead, by the convicted felons own hand(s). Huge difference, imo. Chelle |
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Post by phil on Apr 4, 2004 15:25:46 GMT -5
Who's idea is the death penalty, anyway? It is God's!
Genesis 9:6
"Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made man.
if nothing else, when killer is eliminated, he cannot kill again.
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Post by phil on Apr 4, 2004 15:38:14 GMT -5
Bush says it well, it is a question of innocence and guilt. i agree. Murder should be punishable by death. it disables the murderer, and serves as a deterrent to others who would consider murdering someone. murderers deserve to die; they did not spare the life of the victim. Babies have not committed murder (or any crime); they do not deserve the death penalty.
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Post by Captain Conservative on May 1, 2004 21:56:35 GMT -5
I'll just come out and say it. I am totally in favor of the death penalty. I believe that the idea behind the death penalty is thus. Those who commit the ultimate crime (murder, treason, rape, etc.) must therefore pay the ultimate price. They must be put to death. The death penalty, in my opinion, was partly created as an incentive not to kill. It was made to make the consequences of murder so horrible that no man or woman would want to do so. With the death penalty in place, no street bum looking to get three squares a day and a warm bed from Uncle Sam for the rest of his life would ever dream of slitting another person's throat. Besides, what many liberals try to do is take the blame off the criminal and place it on American society (as they do with almost every problem that faces humanity today). They refuse to believe that there is evil in the world. They refuse to believe that some people are genuinely horrible. They constantly blame American society. I believe that we must make people responsible for their actions. If someone commits murder, they should suffer the consequences and not be put up in a mental hospital (hotel) for some bogus plea of insanity.
I'll leave all of you anti-death penalty (liberal) people with this. Put yourselves in the shoes of a victims family. If a criminal breaks in to your home to steal your property and then kills both of your parents as they try to stop him. Would you still believe that there is no evil on this earth? Would you be okay with it if the criminal was excused because he had a hard life? Would you feel that justice had been served if he was locked away in a maximum security prison or mental institution (which happen to be very nice). Still alive with absolutely no remorse, regeret, or sorrowl. Still lying on his cot in that warm and dry cell smiling because he knows that the government will take care of him for the rest of his life. Think about that.
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Post by scummybear on May 2, 2004 9:26:08 GMT -5
Who was that masked man?
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Post by frankiegoestostoke on May 29, 2004 17:53:21 GMT -5
OK, well I'm going to come out and say that I'm totally against the death penalty.
If life imprisonment means life imprisonment, then there can only be two possible arguments in favour of the death penalty.
The first is that the death penalty provides a greater deterrant. This is the more reasonable argument, however, it doesn't quite follow through statistically. America, for example, has a higher murder rate (per head of population) than the UK, which abolished the death penalty back in the 60's.
The second argument is that of retribution. The idea murderers should suffer for what they have done. But politics cannot be based on revenge. The emotional desire for revenge often neglects the circumstances in which a crime is committed, or any mental disorder, for example that the criminal may have. The most worrying thing about the politics of retribution I feel, is that it could potentially be a downward spiral, why not rule out torture for example?
Although an athiest myself, there is a legitimate christian argument argument against capital punishment, namely that life is sacred. Is this not so?
Finally, the advantage of life imprisonment over execution is that if a convict is found to be innocent, he/she can be simply freed. The last person to be executed in the UK, for example, was most likely innocent given new evidence that has emerged since his hanging.
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Post by FIFI on Jun 3, 2004 12:47:55 GMT -5
But for all our talk, nothing gets done. As I know from experience, even the most horrible of criminals who go through a fair trail and are sentenced to Death Row never see justice, and many are not afraid of capital punishment anymore, because it will never be seen through.
You cannot tell me that all of those on Death Row are innocence, and that EVEN ONE of historys serial killers are "curable''
If you want to believe that, fine Mr(s). Doctor... tie yourself to a chair and give Dayton LeeRoy Rogers a butcher knife... then see if he won't do anything, that he's cured. Not so secure not, are you?
P.s. HI Group, I am the new member, FiFi! ;D
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Post by MO on Jun 3, 2004 12:57:38 GMT -5
Your post speaks truth!
Welcome to the board, FiFi!
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from the abortion thread!