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Post by Ogilvy on Jan 10, 2004 14:14:11 GMT -5
Oh, by the way, as a "Conservative" I find the discussions on Fox News to be a bit more legitimate than the discussions on CNN; but I also find myself understanding and agreeing with thoughts and positions that are, by your requirements, to be "Liberal" regardless of the source. I don't trust either. |
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Post by ctrl on Jan 10, 2004 16:23:19 GMT -5
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Post by Ogilvy on Jan 10, 2004 17:44:58 GMT -5
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Post by scummybear on Jan 11, 2004 11:25:17 GMT -5
Of Winters Garden
Discarded son.
Born in a house of eggshells and icy whims.
Hollowed and pallor, uncelebrated one.
Felt soul eviction through cracks of a strap, while
thinking dried brick-like, and there was no Santa
or heaven or small furry creatures that lived long
enough.
Remembers frames of color, bubbling through blackened
celluloid of amnestic thought- ever fading with years
passing like stones as he drifts with his ilk, to and fro
amidst echoes of steel and silence of plexiglass.
Will not weep save to suit him.
Will not sweat save to cool from the fires of just.
Covets the last drop of air in dark spaces
and is anyone, and everyone, but smiles as no
other while loitering your periphery discarded.
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Post by Angmar on Jan 18, 2004 22:34:36 GMT -5
"An eye for an eye" was a law from the Old Testament, and therefore in compliance with Hebrew ideology. Jesus told his followers to love their enemies. Hence, all you pro-Israeli liberals, you should be in favor of Capital Punishment.
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Post by Angmar on Jan 19, 2004 0:35:31 GMT -5
It's exactly as aforementioned here--
"Vengeance is mine alone." -Yahweh
Very seldom is violence promoted in the Bible. Life is precious. Only at the end of his life, at the hour of direst need, did Jesus tell his disciples to "take the Sword".
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Post by MO on Jan 19, 2004 13:11:31 GMT -5
Are you in Bible study with HoWEIRD Dean?
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Post by Angmar on Jan 19, 2004 13:18:06 GMT -5
Do what?
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Post by Ender on Jan 28, 2004 20:16:16 GMT -5
We forget when the bible was written and that things do change. Around the year 30 C.E. there was no way of imprisoning a murderer it was an absurdity. Hammurabi's code is believed to be the first written law system. Its penalties were extremely harsh because in a society dependent on a community that works together to survive there wasn't the time, money, or desire to sit down with a murderer and figure out why he or she did it. Kill em get it over with and go back to living. Today we have the resources to "rehabilitate" offenders so why not give it a try. "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth but lets forgive and forget."
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Post by Ted on Feb 3, 2004 21:58:19 GMT -5
There always is the chance that a serial killer could escape--sometimes it is the best course of action. Then again, it's just stabbing a backstabber. Hmm, I'd have to say I'm undecided.
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Post by Kyle on Feb 9, 2004 20:50:09 GMT -5
I have to say that this is a hefty subject: There are many views to it. Being practical, if you give a death penalty, you won't have to support that person in prison with your taxes anymore. If we keep them all, where will they all go? and where is the space and money? Another thing though, my close friend was murdered not so long ago...her murderer committed suicide, but i wish with all my heart, that the person could have received punishment for the rest of their life. The death penalty is kinda like that- an easy way out. i'm undecided..
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Post by Magawah on Feb 16, 2004 2:45:49 GMT -5
Many of those who are or have been sentenced to death are only cheating justice, notice how those cowards who chose to take their on lives rather than face prison time. To kill a person who is guilty of a capital offense might deter that person from committing another crime but it wont stop others from doing so, because their wouldn't be anyone in jail right now if they thought that they were going to get caught. Now i do believe in capital punishment when it comes to doing it in a natural way and that is... If someone coldbloodedly killed one of my love one's that person would think twice before they committed the act because if they knew me and they wanted to live they would most surely die if i knew for certain that he or she were the guilty party. ask yourself just in case you should you happen to be caught up in asituation such as this would you rather spend the rest of your natural life in prison with a bunch of fools of al kinds, other just go ahead have whatever life you have terminated? being behind bars is no picnic criminologists know this so they tend to play on the minds of cowards who profess to be law abiding but you let them just happen to get arrested if they didn't go crazy overnight or kill themself they might think a little difference.
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Post by scummybear on Feb 16, 2004 10:12:45 GMT -5
I don't think that the death penalty was ever meant to be a deterrent. Family members of a person who was on the receiving end of a psychopath's rage, wouldn't expect anything less than death. While it won't bring the victim back. I believe that it is part of the greiving process for the family.
The creatures who kill people for no particular reason other than to satisfy some sick fantasy have forfeited their rights to air exhchange. I think that some people assume that sociopaths think and feel the same way that everyone else does. They don't. They were born without the empathy and compassion hardware. They are all about themselves and their survival. The only time they are able to replicate human behavior (such as crying or other emotions) is when they want something, or are trying to save their hides. Just take a look at the resume of some of those on death row; I think you'll see that the punishment fits the crime.
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Post by Walter on Feb 16, 2004 10:46:26 GMT -5
I agree that there is no legitimate reason for the death penalty other than to avenge the brutal death of an innocent life.
I firmly believe that the more significant penalty, one that would serve as both a deterrent and a fitting punishment is:
Life In Solitary Confinement, with a Death Penalty Option For The Inmate
No visitors, no telephone, no TV, no communication with anyone other than prison guards and officials and his/her attorney. One hour of solitary exercise without implements (weights) would be permitted.
For the rest of his/her natural life.
I'm willing to bet that, faced with that or the death penalty, most on death row would opt for the death penalty.
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Post by RusJewAth on Feb 17, 2004 0:12:26 GMT -5
personally I like the way deathpenalty is now on
a state by state basis but some things i think should be changed.
personally i think a person thats gonna be executed should get a choice of 3 ways so its more democratic.
also it should be televised on public television as a deterrant and be only applicable to people who commite more then 1 murder. It works great in china they have it instituted nicely very little open crime.
Last year a guy stole 60 yuan about 5 bucks from someone was caught and shown on tv as they beat him with bamboo sticks on his feet till he died that works wonder for crime rate. I bet it would go down by several percentage points overnight and you would even be able to leave your car doors unlocked without fear.
In russia they thinking of bringing it back but they go around not having it. in two ways 1 they usually execute a person at site of arrest with a shot to the head in some cases like terorists i kinda like this treatment works very well.
2 they got this uranium mine near the artic circle where "offensive" criminals get rehibilitated by mining uranium usually maximum life expectancy there is like 7 years old so its like torture. Also very cool for murderers who kill over 1 if we did it here. Like in alaska it would be nice. I m serious this isn't sarcasm if you disagree its ok but I m not joking. I really think they should show someone being electricuted on tv its kinda fun like show looking at them sizzling what a dterant. If you dont see it whats the point.
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