Right Wingers Are All Morons

[redsnake]

This would be to increase the amount of intelligence our country is getting. That is really what can prevent terrorist from attacking is knowing ahead of time and stopping them. Though some might say that is what the Patriot Act is doing I also think that it is important to have intelligence outside the US. This means relying on our allies to let us know whats going on. This also requires a strong relationship with our allies, which I believe that the war in Iraq diminshed in many ways. [/quote]

That would be a real help, except, ya know? The intelligence services were slashed by the previous admin. They were handicapped by rules that tried to be "sensitive" so that anyone who was a shady character couldn't be used.
I'm hearing the same rhetoric coming fromn the left now about being "sensitive" and how we need better intelligence.
Thats BS.
Feel good BS.
You simply are not going to ever acheive it.
You think the intelligence services of the entire western world just kept info about 9-11 from us? You think the intel services of the entire western world LIED about WMD's just to goad us into attacking Iraq?
This was all good intelligence and it still wasn't enough to be right.
Even now we have the absolute best inteligence we are ever going to get and we cannot find al Zaqawi in Fallujah. We have boots on the ground, we have locals, we have satellites and predators. What we do NOT have is him.
Intelligence gathering is ONE tool. But it should only be a tool, not the primary one.

[UncleVinny]

A gorilla comes into your house and kills your brother.
You call the police. The police chief investigates and says he is
searching for the evil gorilla. They have all 10 detectives
on the department seaching for the gorilla.

A week goes by, and you talk to the police chief.
"Any luck finding the gorilla?"
"No, but we found this baboon who has been stealing
bananas off the fruit stand down the street. We sent
nine of the ten detectives to go beat up the baboon."

Now for dimwits and knuckleheads who don't understand
abstract concepts.
The gorilla is Osama bin Laden
The dumb police chief is Bush
The detectives are the armed forces.

NOW, do you see how we are going after the wrong baboon?
All those resouces going in the wrong direction.
The Repugnantans argue that he was sure one bad baboon.
But they miss the point!

Only trouble is, the real monkey is Bush

These colors don't run the world!

[BOLO]

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
You are incredibly funny Vinny. Your are an absolute imbecile. I can not believe you actually put this asinine and childish metaphor out there. This is too Juvenile to believe.

A gorilla comes into your house and kills your brother.

A Gorilla.
What?? A Liberal in disguise? A Gorilla?
This is so vapid. Insipid with a Capital I.
It demonstrates the childlike mentality that compromises the Liberal mental set, and yours.
Keep on showing us what liberals are about. We don't really need to be reminded, but it never the less is heartening to know that as a group you get stupider every day.
These coors don't run.
But they do run the World.
:)What an Idiot. Really stupid. I can't believe he tried that old chestnut. ;D The comparisons were even stupider. Hahhhhh!!!!!!!!

[UncleVinny]

Cute Bolo - - thanks for sharing.

I know your attention span is limited, but if you had kept reading you'd see the clues below the second paragraph.

Thanks for the sniping. I notice there is no rebuttal to the abstract concepts involved. No defense of the lame excuses for going into Iraq in the first place. No acknowledgement of the failure to capture OBL. Just more mindless macho steriod-pumped posturing. I moved here hoping to see some intelligent dialogue, but guess I'll go back a different website.
Bye, been a pleasure

[BOLO]

Cute Bolo - - thanks for sharing.

I know your attention span is limited, but if you had kept reading you'd see the clues below the second paragraph.

Thanks for the sniping. I notice there is no rebuttal to the abstract concepts involved. No defense of the lame excuses for going into Iraq in the first place. No acknowledgement of the failure to capture OBL. Just more mindless macho steriod-pumped posturing. I moved here hoping to see some intelligent dialogue, but guess I'll go back a different website.
Bye, been a pleasure

Vinny. Vinny. Vinny.
There is nothing to refute.
You have lost it. You have revealed yourself to be a clown, and to have large amounts of ignorance.
You have no substance.
You have found the intelligence. You just did not bring any.
No one is going to take you serious after that stupid similie.
Don't blame us for your own failures.
Bye.
What a jerk.
These colors don't run
These colors do run the world.

[cupolaa5]

Sure,Sure ,sure, In order to get along with the left you always agree with them if you don't your dumb ,stupid and unworthy of life doesn't this sound familiar? for 40 years the left have had it all their way can anybody out there honestly tell me how the quality of life has improved under their dictatorship? if my spelling is off I apologize but I went to a public school full of liberal teachers DOESN'T that make me a victim of society?

[UncleVinny]

Bolo, , my little grasshopper, how kind of you to comment.
Still, I see no reasoned response, no enchanting arguements, no eloquent debate.

Did you really belive ridicule and flames would have any effect on the rock of my reason??

Little one, you are deceived.
Your warlord invades another country.
He claims the Almighty sent him there.
He adopts the 'pre-emtive war' theory to justify his aggression.
He gets his small-minded followers to wave the flag, and shout for war, and then calls it 'patriotism.'
He sends his goons to spread not-so-swift lies.

Ahh little grasshopper, what you really seek is peace,
peace of mind,
and you have forgotten, - - - you do not attain peace by making war.

We shall meet again in Paradise.

[BOLO]

Sure,Sure ,sure, In order to get along with the left you always agree with them if you don't your dumb ,stupid and unworthy of life doesn't this sound familiar? for 40 years the left have had it all their way can anybody out there honestly tell me how the quality of life has improved under their dictatorship? if my spelling is off I apologize but I went to a public school full of liberal teachers DOESN'T that make me a victim of society

He has a good point. ;D

[BOLO]

Vinny.....
Are you there vinny....?
I hears sounds.....
Vinny........
Aw never mind.
These Colors don't run
These colors do run the world.

[TNRighty]

Vinny,

You're a very smart, well spoken person, but your intelligence is grossly misdirected. Peace and liberty must be protected, diplomatically if possible. But sometimes it has to be fought for. For the ten years prior to 9-ll we responded weakly to terrorist attacks on the WTC in '93 and later the USS Cole. What did the appeasment strategy get us? 3000 dead Americans.

Lets get out our history books for a minute and make some comparisons. About 15 years after WWI ended, Adolf Hitler came to power and began rebuilding Germany's war machine, a direct violation of the treaty that ended WWI. What was the response from the rest of Europe? Appeasment. When he again violated the treaty by moving into the Sudetenland, what was Europe's response? Appeasement. Hitler viewed this as weakness on behalf of Europe. Next thing you know, you've got millions of dead Jews, Paris burning, and Great Britain hanging by a thread. Somewhere in the middle of all this, Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. We declared war on Japan the following day, and eventually found ourselves fighting Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany. Hitler never attacked the USA, but do you think we were wrong for going after him? What if we hadn't? What if John Kerry were president in 1941? There's a good chance you'd be eating schnitzel and nazi-fries at McRommells right now. We lost tens of thousands of American lives in WWII. Would you say they served in vain. I doubt it. We won that war, and peace and liberty were preserved.

Moving on to the Cold War. Jimmy Carter's response? Lets boycott the 1980 Olympics in Moscow. OOOOH, scary. Reagan's response. In short, "pull the trigger and you'll die, our guns are bigger than yours, and our people will fight." And the Berlin Wall fell. We won that war, and peace and liberty were preserved.

What if we had sat idly by when Saddam invaded Kuwait? Its likely he'd be checking Middle East countries off the grocery list right now. Like Hitler, he violated the aggreements that ended the Persian Gulf War, and luckily we have a president who has as strong historical perspective. What do you suppose would've been a better response to 9-11? Should we have "reached out" to Islamic terrorists or have been "more sensitive"? Should we have responded in Clintonesque appeasement by blowing up a couple of barns in the Afghan countryside? I think we all see where that got us. Bush's response? "We'll hunt you down and kill you wherever you are." We're winning this war, and peace and liberty will be preserved.

[UncleVinny]

Thanks, Righty,
Good to see signs of intelligence here, esp. since I was about to exit (Sorry, Bolo! Vinny will stick around at least a little longer.)

Yeah, good points, but Iraq was not the end-of-civilization-as-we-know-it type of threat that Hitler and the Axis were.

My gripe is that Shrub went in there and painted Iraq with the same broad brush of terrorism that was appropriate for Al Queda.

Also, if we start to adopt the Wolfowitz plan to invade and fix other countries, then who decides? and When?
So we go into Iraq prematurely, and suddenly they're gonna embrace western democracy? I don't think so.
For centuries they've relied on tribal and regional alliances, and just like in Yugoslavia, this will surely degrade into local wars. In Yugoslavia they went at each other with sticks and knives. At least Tito kept the peace! Now Bush will have to 'own' this for generations to come. So do we do the same in Iran, N. Korea, Jordan? Bring then our style of democracy, then paint it as God's will? A leeeeeetle bit egocentric, I'd say.

UV

[TNRighty]

Vinny,

Thanks for the reply. I hope we have established for ourselves a foundation for intelligent debate.

I don't necessarily agree that the war in Iraq was a preemtive war, but I'll give you that. And for the sake of argument, lets say it was preemptive.

However, what if we'dve attacked Hitler the minute he set foot in the Sudetenland? Would that not have been considered a preemtive war? It probably would've, but knowing history the way we do now, it would have been a good move. Hindsight would've supported such action. Thousands upon thousands of lives would've been saved had someone stepped up and enforced the aggreements that ended WWI. Bush doesn't have the benefit of hindsight today, but he has history on his side.

I agree, Iraq was not the end-of-civilization-as-we-know-it type that Nazi Germany was. BUT, in 1938, Nazi Germany wouldn't have fit that label either. They became the end-all because we let them become it through policies of appeasement. We'll never know if Saddam would've become a modern-day Hitler, but Bush was damned sure determined not to let that become a possibility.

Please reply

[BOLO]

Good to see signs of intelligence here, esp. since I was about to exit (Sorry, Bolo! Vinny will stick around at least a little longer.)

No problem Vinny.
That insult was necassary wasn't it. Smart A$$.
I will leave you to the tender mercies of TNRighty.
I am sure two will enjoy yourselfs.
Me, I already figured you out for what you are from your first post.
Your second just confirmed it.
The third, and all subsequent just add fuel to the fire.
Stick around. Run your mouth. Have a good time.
These colors Don't run.
These color do run the world.

[lordjulius7]

Vinny - try this. A gorilla beats up one's brother. One pursues said gorilla. But the incident also makes one realise that savage attacks by apes are a continuing problem. Thus, as well as pursuing the specific gorilla, one decides to rid the city of ALL violent, recidevist apes.

[UncleVinny]

Thanks Righty - yes good to exchange reasonable ideas.

Actually, I'm not sure either if Iraq was pre-emtive or not. I have several thoughts on that.

1. In the 1980, under Bush 1, Wolfowitz wrote some papers discussing the idea that if America has the power, perhaps we should consider making the world over in our image, which hopefully was a democracy-oriented vision. The reasoning was that the world is full of evil and corruption, and America might not have another chance to bring stability to the world. Most scholars and politicians at the time dismissed Wolfowitz's ideas as too radical and belligerant.
Now, 20 years later, Wolfowitz is in the cabinet again, and we see Bush running with the idea. Taking on regime change in a one-sided, self-righteous, hard-headed campaign of hanging tough and 'staying the course.' Wow, eyebrows raised on that, and one has to wonder if those ideas influence the decision to invade Iraq.

2. Bush and Cheney both have strong ties to oil and multi-national corporations - all of which benefit from war and grabbing of the oil fields in Iraq. Makes one wonder, no?

3. Note the recent spy scandal with Israel - the spy was connected with Wolfowitz - a Jew - maybe our Iraq policy has more to do with neutralizing the Arabs than WMD? Makes one wonder.

4. Many reports of Bush arm-twisting both his cabinet members (documented by Woodward and Richard Clark) and the intelligence agencies to "Bring me something on Iraq!" The experts all KNEW Iraq was a peripheral player, if in the terrorist mix at all.

Add all these up, and you should be able to see why the Democrats smell a rat there - the contention that Bush deceived the American people about the reasons for going into Iraq. I see it as a major deception, consciously undertaken by a hard-headed (p)resident.

As for the Hitler in his younger days arguement.
Yes, there is some merit there. But again, it's like who decides? When do we act? (Mmm! similar to the abortion rights debate, ha, ha!)

That's why I say:
These colors don't run the world.

Do we build a consensus? Who's next? Iran?
Do we have enough troops. Do Americans have the willpower? The acceptance of those imperialist views? Certainly N. Korea is now more of a threat than Iraq ever was. So we go ahead with self-appointed righteousness to cleanse the world of evil? MMMmm - very dangerous, esp. coming from the moron who thinks stem cell research is the work of Satan!


Uncle