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Post by JesterCerberus on May 16, 2004 19:26:34 GMT -5
I don’t understand where the stereotype that many conservatives are Christians comes from. When I look the president’s decisions I find it difficult to believe he is really a Christian, because few of his decisions I find concurrent with the teachings of Jesus. Now maybe the stereotype is more about people who are Christians in name but don’t really believe in the message. Other than abortion and homosexuality I don’t really see conservatives arguing any point from a Christian stance. And though these two topics are in the media nearly constantly there are mentioned very little in the Bible. The bigger messages and important decrees are ignored for the sake details. Talk about seeing the splinter in someone else’s eye and missing the plank in your own.
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Post by MO on May 17, 2004 12:13:11 GMT -5
 It comes from liberals. There is no such thing as the Christian right. It is a made up term implying some sort of conspiracy. Knowing that someone identifies themselves as a Christian would not help you identify their voting patterns nearly as much as other factors. Consider the last presidential election. Blacks- Gore, 90% to 8% Jewish- Gore, 79% to 19% Hispanic- Gore, 67% to 31% Unmarried women- Gore, 63% to 32% White protestants- Bush 62% People who identify themselves as atheists- Gore, 88% So "the godless left" would be more accurate than "the Christian right." I assume that conservatives don't try to make as much political hay of that as the left does about the fictitious "Christian right" because conservatives realize that it's blasphemous to try to fit Jesus in a human political ideology. The "St Augustine theory" probably means nothing to you. Even if it does, I'm sure you think it doesn't apply if you've been drinking the media Kool-aid. Why don't you take your Christian bashing to DU?
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Post by JesterCerberus on May 18, 2004 7:32:27 GMT -5
I don't know what the "St Augustine theory" is and I wouldn't mind hearing about it. I myself am a Christian and I don't see how I was "Christian bashing." All I was saying is that I think it is a misconception that the most concervatives are Christians and that perhaps many may identify themselves as Christians but in my mind they don't act very Christian. Furthermore what does DU stand for. Is that that other forum?
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Post by MO on May 18, 2004 15:01:01 GMT -5
Oh I see. You didn't come here to bash Christians. You came here to bash conservatives. Let me guess, we're intolerant? I find it extremely comical that conservatives don't even feel comfortable posting here because there are so many liberals who feel comfortable coming here and throwing mud. They make their way to conservative message boards to tell us how intolerant we are while not allowing us to post on theirs. This is a conservative board. How intolerant to show up just to insult? How peaceful is that? Yet they claim to want to live and let live. I can just feel the love. DU is democratic underground. Conservatives are not allowed. When you provide no specifics to your absurd claims, I have no way to challenge them. It is evident to me from your post that it was not meant to ask for clarification or to promote further understanding but for slinging a stone. Have you read the book? Jesus made it quite clear that He is no pacifist and no socialist. Being a conservative is not contrary to scripture. |
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Post by rush22 on May 18, 2004 16:33:17 GMT -5
and FR is free republic, democrats not allowed. |
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Post by MO on May 18, 2004 16:47:08 GMT -5
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Post by rush22 on May 18, 2004 16:57:39 GMT -5
Also, afaik, "being a conservative" is obviously not contrary to scripture, since "being" anything is not contrary to scripture. It is actions which can be contrary to scripture, or at least that's what I've always thought.
Jester was saying that the president's decisions and actions do not reflect the values of Christians, I don't think he was being partisan except in using the stereotype of Christian conservatives to draw attention to his issue.
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Post by MO on May 18, 2004 17:14:46 GMT -5
Can he answer for himself? Without specific mention of decisions and actions, it is merely stone throwing. |
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Post by rush22 on May 18, 2004 17:19:30 GMT -5
I don't know I got banned from FR for making the argument that an article writer's comparison of seal-clubbing in Canada to the Iraq war was ridiculous, implying that Canada was hypocritical, since it used the same liberal arguments against seal-clubbing as the Iraq war, and hence proved the liberal's point of view on the Iraq war. FR's budget is a quarter of a million dollars a year!!!!  DU is a mom & pop operation compared to FR. |
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Post by rush22 on May 18, 2004 17:20:48 GMT -5
Yeah, yeah. I got excited. Sorry Jester  |
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Post by rush22 on May 18, 2004 17:26:31 GMT -5
....also, now that I think about it, I probably got banned more for threatening to post pictures of dead babies in the Iraq pics section... but hey! who's counting? (I wasn't actually going to do it, their talk was just driving me crazy)
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Post by MO on May 18, 2004 19:07:14 GMT -5
I would say that any kind of seal clubbing/ Iraq war analogy is stupid, no matter how it is spun.
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Post by JesterCerberus on May 18, 2004 20:24:43 GMT -5
I don't really feel like I'm bashing anyone though you seem to enjoy mocking people a lot, whcih is fine this is a rant forum after all. All I was trying to do was a make a point that you seem to agree with. That point is that despite the sterotype I don't think the concervatives christian oriented. I agree neither side falls under a specific religion.
I guess I though about it after I heard a Bishop in the Catholic church spoke out against John Kerry and said he should not be allowed to receive communion because he was not pro life. Then I saw a woman speak for a concervative organization saying that if John Kerry does not agree that abortion is wrong that he should not call himself a Christian. It really botherd me because every week at church I hear scripture that teaches fundamental rules that our president a proud christain seems to ignore. I know Bush is a protestant but we both use the same Bible and the same messages are there. These ideals are some what pacifistic even if you choose not belive that Mo.
For instant this is thought of as the fundamental commandment, the famous ten overshadowed by it:
"Love thy neighbor as theyself"
The parabal of the woman about to be stoned to death for adultary also speaks of peace.
The concept of turning the other cheek aslo comes from the bible.
"That which you do to the least of brothers this you do unto me."
Obviously thou shalt not kill.
Jesus's message is that of tolerance and peace. If you dispute this then I would love to have a conversation.
As for this being a concervative forum I am aware of that and I try not to be offenseive, I actually want to share what I am thinking and find out what others are. Your presence here is hard felt and I enjoy listening to your (from my point of view) radical views. I rarely agree but this issue we seem to have though you seems to want to attack anyway.
By the way I found this site one day when I was very angry about the way the wrold was turning and I typed rant forum into google.
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Post by JesterCerberus on May 18, 2004 20:38:02 GMT -5
I guess my biggest gripe is the Patriot Act, the war on terrosim (including the war in Afghanistan and Iraq). Now I know that many people don't have a problem with either war most just the former but I just have a reversed stratergy about how to stop the loss of innoncent lives in the world. I alos think that the Bible and the teachings of Jesus suppourt my view, though I'm sure our president feels the same way.
I realize most people don't really care about what religion says what, they just care about what they think is right whcih I can understand but I started this topic about how religion effects politics so thats sort the box were in.
By the way rush22 don't worry about it.
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Post by MO on May 19, 2004 1:56:08 GMT -5
I'm still not sure what the hell you're talking about. First of all, no one has successfully pointed out to me how the PA has taken any rights from any innocent Americans. Most of its detractors have never read it. They are just parroting back some crap they read about it taking away their liberties. Liberals just spout out what they've heard. War was declared on us and that is the fact, whether we fight back or not. Carp about liberties you've lost, but won't describe. That is your main issue of your post? How is a good policy passed by a not so fiscally responsible president reflect on an entire religion, anyway? I think you need to examine your own eye before you go throwing stones at millions of people. You want to throw some crap around about religion or do you only feel comfortable when you're trashing your own country men and women? What a girly man. This chic is happy to know better men. I do find it interesting that "feminists" in this country only seem to have one interest; killing babies at home and bashing their own country. They don't seem to give a rat's ass about women in the world, like the slave women in the Sudan. Liberals are totally inconsistent and hypocritical. They have nothing to say of this. They only make excuses. I guess to the godless left, multiculturalism trumps feminism. lol debate.domini.org/newton/womeng.html#conclude |
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