Nathan
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Post by Nathan on Mar 26, 2004 1:46:05 GMT -5
The point of this post is that hatred of the U.S. in the arab world has reached shocking levels, and its only going to get worse.
Nearly two thirds of pakistanis have a favorable impression of Osama bin Ladin.
So what, we don't care what they think?
well, its either care what they think, or kill every last one, because thats how many terrorists there will be by the time we are finnished with this mess we are creating.
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Post by MO on Mar 26, 2004 12:54:18 GMT -5
It should be pretty obvious to us all that many hated us before the "war on terror." That is evidenced in the many terrorist attacks that were increasing in frequency and brazenness in the years leading up to 9-11. Are you suggesting we ignore it or hold teas to try and make them like us? Bin Laden declared war on us years before 9-11 in several interviews. He gathered support in the middle east because for several years, he was wining. We weren't even fighting back. To assume that we can avoid the murderous plots of madmen through diplomacy and negotiation is to assume they are reasonable people. Diplomacy has its place and is working quite well with some middle eastern leaders. Murderous, violent madmen can only be handled with the one and only thing they respect- overwhelming force.
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Nathan
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Post by Nathan on Mar 26, 2004 13:56:17 GMT -5
I'm suggesting that we think about the political consequences before invading a country. After the gulf war, they decided not to finnish the job because of the threat of a civil war and chaos. This has changed somehow?
as i said, i agree with the war in afghanistan.
Before all this mess, the people in the arab world who supported terrorism were a radical minority. this is no longer the case
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Post by MO on Mar 26, 2004 14:56:08 GMT -5
You base that assertion on what?
Did I miss footage of the Arab street denouncing any of the terrorist attacks against western interests? I don't think so. I did see footage of dancing in the streets after 9-11. For the rest of them, their silence was deafening. I don't think making nice-nice with murderous dictators will make the middle east like us. I don't even care if they like us as long as they respect or fear us enough not to try and kill us.
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Post by Ted on Mar 26, 2004 15:15:13 GMT -5
If it's honestly believed that the Arab presence in the US itself is the primary threat (and I do sympathize) then the conclusion seems straightforward: deport Arabs and close the borders until further notice. If Mohammedans are set and determined to destroy things, they won't find much welcome from the vast majority of the US.
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Nathan
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Post by Nathan on Mar 26, 2004 15:28:50 GMT -5
Ted, even as a liberal i'm worried that's the only solution to this problem.
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Nathan
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Post by Nathan on Mar 26, 2004 15:46:34 GMT -5
simpler though to respond to some of their concerns, some of which are justified.
An apology for all the mess we've created in the middle east in the last decades wouldn't hurt. Neither would a solution to the israeli palestinian conflict.
MO seems to think that we are dealing with the damned, lumping together the terrorists with the regular middle easterners. Well, the more you treat them like criminals, the more criminal they get, because of their resentment.
Might be too late for all of this though.
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Nathan
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Post by Nathan on Mar 26, 2004 15:51:08 GMT -5
You can't fight fire with fire.
Likewise, you arn't going to break the will of the terrorists with bombs and blood and war. You will only make their resolve stronger.
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Post by MO on Mar 26, 2004 16:04:06 GMT -5
Like what? You're no better than Bin Laden. You blame America. It's not our fault their still living in the stone age. But I'm sure they would turn into peace lovers if we "apologize."  There is no solution. At least not while Arafat is in the picture. They want all of Israel. You guys were wrong during the cold war and you're wrong now. Democrats wrang their hands when Reagan said, "Tear down this wall!" |
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Post by MO on Mar 26, 2004 16:11:54 GMT -5
That is not true. We could have taken Iraq in one night if we carpet bombed. I would not have supported that. All care has been taken to try to protect the lives of innocent civilians. Most of the Iraqis are very glad we are there, according to recent studies. Most of them are much better off.
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Nathan
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Post by Nathan on Mar 26, 2004 16:12:49 GMT -5
Umm i was about 6 years old when the cold war ended, thank you. next charge please?
Soon there will be another wall by the way, except it will be built by us.
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Nathan
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Post by Nathan on Mar 26, 2004 16:15:18 GMT -5
"Most of them are much better off. "
That would be the shiites.
And i doubt that will last long eitherway....
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Post by Ted on Mar 26, 2004 18:36:28 GMT -5
Bah, shi'ites, sunnis, it's all the same thing, really.
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Post by Peanut on Mar 28, 2004 19:20:31 GMT -5
same with methodists, christians, protestants, mennonites...
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Post by phil on Apr 4, 2004 16:34:21 GMT -5
50 millions Muslims today in Afghanistan and Iraq do not have to worry about being murdered, tortured or put in jail from oppressive leaders. They are beginning to thrive under new freedom - because the coalition headed by the United States of America gave it to them.
WMD's were only one of five reasons for going to war with Iraq. Whether or not we ever find them doesn't matter, because we did know that hussein had them, admitted to having them, and even used them on fellow Iraquis. And we are supposed take his word that they are gone? Bush says unapologetically that he will ALWAYS choose to defend America, rather than take the word of a madmen.
Besides, the terrorists even managed to use airliners as weapons of mass destruction. Remember September 11, 2001!
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