The new Hitler

[USA50]

You guys really have some wool pulled, don't you?

Only on a Conservative chat site would such a discussion take place. I'm not familiar with any Lbrals denying the Holocaust or jumping on Jews -- that's the purvue of Conservatives.

And, since I did detect some sympathy and outrage here regarding the Holocaust, I just wanted to point out that it came to an end in large part because the most Liberal president in US history successfully prosecuted and managed the largest war we have ever experienced.

Make a note for future reference: Hitler was on the RIGHT, FDR was on the LEFT. And Stalin (and Russia which really won the war) are off the charts.

[TheSerf]

USA50 said:

Make a note for future reference: Hitler was on the RIGHT, FDR was on the LEFT. And Stalin (and Russia which really won the war) are off the charts.

So the words Nationalsozialistische deutsche Arbeiter-Partei are just BS? But of course the National Socialist German Workers' Party wasn't to the left because they were racists! Of course, Stalin starved the Ukranians and was about to wipe out the Jews himself before he died.... The only real reason Stalin hated Hitler was because he knew Hitler was a threat to his power. Ask yourself, how much control did the government have in Germany? Hitler and Stalin are both socialists at heart and both belong on the far left.

[USA50]

I guess being 'The Serf' you have particular insight into Stalin and Russia. I said they were off the charts, thanks for verifying it.

One of Hitler's sole purposes in life was to defeat communism/socialism. Linking anything he thought, said, or did with the 'socialist' terminology in Nazi is wrong and ridiculous.

Give me a list of the 'socialist', left-wing programs and theories that Adolph had. Hint: IF you find some, I'll just cover it with a truck load of his right wing crap.

Thanks for playing.

[TheSerf]

USA50 said:

I guess being 'The Serf' you have particular insight into Stalin and Russia. I said they were off the charts, thanks for verifying it.

One of Hitler's sole purposes in life was to defeat communism/socialism. Linking anything he thought, said, or did with the 'socialist' terminology in Nazi is wrong and ridiculous.

Give me a list of the 'socialist', left-wing programs and theories that Adolph had. Hint: IF you find some, I'll just cover it with a truck load of his right wing crap.

Thanks for playing.

Let's start with the Holocaust itself. It was a very socialist thing to do. Add on to it many of the great dictarors like Stalin's above mentioned starvation and genocide, Mao's "Great Leap Forward", Pol Pot's genocide, and other assorted socialist dictators too numerous to mention should be a good pile of bodies to start with.
Or should I go on to the Gestapo and its similarities to the NKVD, the Stassi, or any other socialist secret police.
Or should I mention that facism (which is what was actually practiced) is best defined as the government control on the economy while still allowing companies to be run privately and land to be held privately. He fails the left-wing test there. He just regulated the economy to such a degree that everything depends on the government. Maybe he was more left after all...
You could try to bury me in details where he may have been more right wing, but the overall shape of Germany at that time was definitely left.

[MO]

Washington Times
Letters to the Editor
June 7 - Arlington, VA
During the past several months in the American press, the Democrats have frequently denounced the Republicans as Nazis due to their attempts to control runaway federal spending. How very ironic. I remember the Nazis. Let me share a little about them and recall some of their exploits.
First of all, "Nazi" was gutter slang for the verb "to nationalize". The Bider-Mienhoff gang gave themselves this moniker during their early struggles. The official title of the Nazi Party was "The National Socialist Workers Party of Germany". Hitler and the Brownshirts advocated the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, national resources, manufacturing, distribution and law enforcement.

Hitler came to power by turning the working class, unemployed, and academic elite against the conservative republic. After Der Fuhrer's election ceased being a political conspiracy and was transformed into a fashionable social phenomenon, party membership was especially popular with educators, bureaucrats, and the press.

Being a Nazi was "politically correct". They called themselves "The Children of the New Age of World Order" and looked down their noses at everyone else. As Hitler acquired more power, he referred to his critics as "The Dark Forces of Anarchy and Hatred". Anyone who questioned Nazi high-handedness in the German press was branded a "Conservative Reactionary". Joseph Goebbels, minister of communications, proclaimed a "New World Order".

The Nazi reign of terror began with false news reports on the Jews, Bohemians and Gypses who were said to be arming themselves to overthrow the "New World Order" and Hitler demanded that all good people register their guns so that they wouldn't fall into the hands of "terrorists and madmen".Right-wing fanatics of the "Old Order" who protested firearms registration were arrested by the S.S. and put in jail for "fomenting hatred against the Government of the German people".

Then the Reichstag (government building) was blown up and Hitler ram-rodded an "Emergency Anti-Terrorist Act" through Parliament that gave the Gestapo extraordinary powers. The leader then declared that for the well-being of the German people, all private firearms were to be confiscated by the Gestapo and the Wermotten (federal law enforcement and military). German citizens who refused to surrender their guns when the "jack-boots" (Gestapo) came calling, were murdered in their homes. By the way, the Gestapo were the federal marshals' service of the Third Reich. The S.W.A.T. team was invented and perfected by the Gestapo to break into the homes of the enemies of the German people.

When the Policia Bewakken, or local police, refused to take away guns from townsfolk, they themselves were disarmed and dragged out into the street and shot to death by the S.A. and the S.S. Those were Nazi versions of the B.A.T.F. and the F.B.I. When several local ministers spoke out against these atrocities, they were imprisoned and never seen again.

The Gestapo began to confiscate and seize the homes, businesses, bank accounts, and personal belongings of wealthy conservative citizens who had prospered in the old Republic. Pamphleteers who urged revolt against the Nazis were shot on site by national law enforcement and the military. Gypsies and Jews were detained and sent to labor camps. Mountain roads throughout central Europe were closed to prevent the escape of fugitives into the wilderness, and to prevent the movement and concealment of partisan resistance fighters.

Public schools rewrote history and Hitler youth groups taught the children to report their parents to their teachers for anti-Nazi remarks. Such parents disappeared. Pagan animism became the state religion of the Third Reich and Christians were widely condemned as "right wing fanatics".

Millions of books were burned first and then people. Millions of them burned in huge ovens after they were first gassed to death. Unmarried women were paid large sums of money to have babies out of wedlock and then given medals for it. Evil was declared as being good, and good was condemned as being evil. World Order was coming and the German people were going to be the "peacekeepers".

Yes, indeed, I remember the Nazis and they weren't Republicans, or "right wing", or "patriots" or "militias". They were Socialist monsters.

-- Thomas Colton Ruthford

[USA50]

Serf,

You are confusing totalitarianism with the words socialism and left. Hitler was first, just like Stalin, just like the Saudis, just like Hussein, just like our sob little tin pot dictators in Central America, a totalitarian whose sole purpose in life was to preach war, prepare for war, and to wage war. That is often a way to refer to right wing nuts.

Hitler spent his youth lauding and lamenting the demise of the Kaiser - one right wing dude. And that lamenting, along with his (right-wing) fascination with ridding out the Jews, made him dedicate his life to a single purpose: a war to wipe out the Slavs and the Jews.

Hitler rose on the shoulders of right-wing Junkers who owned, controlled, and ran German industry much like the robber barons did here.

Whatever tidbits of 'linking' you are suggesting to the left meant nothing to him, and to history, in the final analysis that he was a war monger and nothing else.

War mongers often get that right-wing interpretation on their names.

Mo:

What the hell was that?.....

[USA50]

MO quoted: "During the past several months in the American press, the Democrats have frequently denounced the Republicans as Nazis due to their attempts to control runaway federal spending. "

I like that. The Economist (a conservative publication I take) this summer had an article called "Red George".
Oh, what could that have been about?

Detailed how george has presided over the biggest and fastest expanse of government spending in history while decrying big govmnt. Talk about TAX and SPEND!
Well, I assume he is getting it from taxes and not finessing it out of some Midland oil deal.

Maybe the Repubs were called Nazis because of that. The shoe so often fits in ways you never imagined.

[lordjulius7]

"I'm not familiar with any Lbrals denying the Holocaust or jumping on Jews -- that's the purvue of Conservatives."

Name a single conservative who denies the holocaust.

"And, since I did detect some sympathy and outrage here regarding the Holocaust, I just wanted to point out that it came to an end in large part because the most Liberal president in US history successfully prosecuted and managed the largest war we have ever experienced.

Make a note for future reference: Hitler was on the RIGHT, FDR was on the LEFT. And Stalin (and Russia which really won the war) are off the charts"

FDR was on the left, true. But Churchill was on the right, I notice you didn't mention him. Stalin, meanwhile, was happy to sign a non-aggression pact with Hitler and only entered the war because Hitler launched Barbarossa.
Hitler was a socialist on economics. The employment, industrial and regulatary policies of Nazi Germany were left wing. I challenge you to name any conservative policies he had, so far I see none. And I mean policies a conservative would espouse, not crap like "Invading other countries is what conservatives do", because that is just your own feeble predjudices.

[Favre]

Julius, do I know you, your style seems familiar. Once again you are correct. The left conveniently forgets that the Nazi's were socialists.

[lordjulius7]

Not to mention the fact that before founding the Fascist party, Mussolini was a member of the Italian socialists. Oswald Mosely was a socialist, too.

Favre - I'm not sure, are you the guy who keeps asking for free videos on Shavenhussies.com?

[Favre]

Shaven what? No that wasn't me......ummmmm no! Ummm.......................................Ok that was me, but don't tell my wife!

[Allan]

Zha, what excuse do you have for the U.S. governemnt sending America's armies (Sons & Daughters) to Serbia? Or anywhere else without a declaration of war from Congress against the country to be attacked?

All U.S. wars since WWI are a criminal act against every American, and mankind, not the mention the Countries involved.
Allan

[USA50]

Churchill was conservative, but inconsequential (the US was big dog on the Western front)…and I will refer to his unceremonious dumping from office after the war.

What does the Stalin/Hitler non-aggression pact have to do with this? Stalin thought the Allies were going to abandon Russia to Germany (you heard of the Phony War period?), and signed a pact to delay the attack….. I don’t admire Stalin for anything, that’s just history.

Hitler’s sole purpose in life was to prepare for and wage the war. I will repeat for your slow comprehension that he rose to power on the shoulders of an enormous private industry – the Junkers – which he was careful to keep free and independent…Hitler had power in the 30s, but he knew there were powerful forces that could yet unseat him, especially when war came.

Hitler didn’t care for anything but war, his entire personality and mindset was right
wing in that respect. He ultimately – in war time - was a FACSIST (“centralized, autocratic government”), Fascists have been know to be right wing. Autocrats have, too.

You really get off on the National SOCIALIST term, don’t you? Hitler joined the party, he didn’t name it, and he just used it as a tool for gaining access to power. If it had been the National AppleLovers party, it would have made no difference. Would you accuse him (in spite of all evidence) that he was a tree hugger?

A man who was devoted to the Kaiser (a bit right wing), was not on the right? A man who believed the military was the end-all of society (and it was, oh boy) was not on the right? A man who wasted the German people with no regard for their well-being was on the left?

A man who instituted police oversight that Ashcroft would admire was not on the right?

[TheSerf]

HITLER WAS A SOCIALIST

[USA50]

I see. say it LOUD enough and often enough (one of Adolph's pet propoganda tools) and it's true?

SWEDEN AND NORWAY ARE SOCIALIST!!!!!!

You think they would let Adolph be their leader if he wandered back?

HITLER ABOLISHED THE (true)SOCIALIST PARTY AND SENT (true)SOCIALISTS TO PRISON!!!!

A little known FACT to those who look closely enough.

HITLER WAS A CHRISTIAN!!!!

He often referred to god and the devine.

HITLER WAS A GERMAN!!!

He was Bavarian, but he always referred to himself as a German.

HITLER WAS A MILITARY GENIOUS!!!

He said so many times, even in the last dark days in the bunker.