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Post by JosephMorgan on Jun 3, 2003 17:24:52 GMT -5
Does anyone else appreciate the irony that we rhetorically attack racism, yet support increasing racial diversity in communities? Racial hatred is caused by racial friction; racial friction is caused by two or more races trying to share the same territory. Racists are the symptom, the byproduct of racial diversity.
The greater the racial diversity, the greater the racial hatred in a community. Right? Isn't that we have been discovering in this experiment to get humankind to transcend its tribal nature?
-- Promote mono-racial societies, and you are promoting societies that are free of racial hatred.
-- Promote multi-racial societies, and you are promoting racial hatred.
The dilemma for those who support multi-culturalism is what balance should be struck between the benefits of multi-culturalism and the amount of racial hatred we can tolerate.
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Post by flossingofamerica on Jun 5, 2003 1:38:55 GMT -5
So...what are you saying?
Should we go back to the good ole segregation days? I would like to know how far hour separation of races and cultures should go.
Do you have anything to back up your assertion that multi-culturalism is the disease and racism is the symptom? I'm not trying to be argumentative, and I know that's how it sounds, but I haven't read anything the would confirm that theory, let alone bring it up. I would be interested to know if you have a link to an article or a reference to a book on this particular issue.
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Post by JosephMorgan on Jun 5, 2003 7:03:51 GMT -5
Do you have anything to back up your assertion that multi-culturalism is the disease and racism is the symptom? Racial hatred is the fruit of multi-racial environments. The racial rage that exists to cause racially motivated murders, rapes, and assaults doesn't exist in mono-racial countries like Iceland. People self-segrate themselves in America, on campus, in the neighborhoods they chose to live in, who they socialize with. If we understand that friction is a natural byproduct of races trying to share the same territory then we can make intelligent decisions concerning the handling of multi-cultural societies. |
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Post by JosephMorgan on Jun 5, 2003 8:16:10 GMT -5
Where is the proof that racial hatred is learned? Has there ever been a society that did not have racial hatred?
If there is no proof that racial hatred is learned, then where does it come from?
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Post by Peanut on Jun 7, 2003 11:43:55 GMT -5
JosephMorgan, racial hatred IS learned, i can still remember the time my cousins and brothers taught me that in order to get a black person mad at you, call them a "nigger". followed by the warning, but dont ever call them that to their faces. I remember my father and my brothers giving me a lesson in what was a racist term for each race, including my own, caucasian. Do i use any of those terms, no. If we followed you're stupid ideals of mono-racial societies, i would not have my friends in my life that have saved it time and time again, and those i consider my brothers and sisters now. Racial hatred is learned, because ignorant people fear what they dont understand. If you're not a white heterosexual christian male, then you have nothing to fear, if you're anything but that, your life will be harder, not because of other races and sexes in the vicinity, but because of the stupidity that rises from the fear of getting to know the "unknown". There's only one way to stop racism, and that's to stamp it out and not accept it in any form aka "free speech".
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Post by garrett7855 on Jun 7, 2003 16:37:36 GMT -5
I absolutely will never understand why we allow this topic to just go on and on and on and on ::)and on and on!!!! Racism is such an artificial cause for continuing dissent. But we still continue to allow it to govern so much of our time. Why can't people just accept that we are all the same species of animal? I sometimes wonder if the color of a persons skin is really the issue. It may will be what people use to clue them that "Hey, this person may be DIFFERENT from me", but is their color actually the issue? Cultural differences seem to be more important to the average bigot. I don't know, I really just don't know. Everyone wants to be an individual, but if someone else looks different, talks differently, walks in a way they 'just don't like', then that person becomes the 'enemy'. Do people hate just for hatred's sake? Why would anyone even want a homogenous society? Life would be so interminably DULL, if we were all the same!  |
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Post by JosephMorgan on Jun 8, 2003 8:43:46 GMT -5
Peanut: If we followed you're stupid ideals of mono-racial societies, i would not have my friends in my life that have saved it time and time again,
I didn't say we should create mono-racial societies. My point was on the cause of racial hatred, racial friction, and that we should stop confusing the symptom, racists, with the cause.
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Post by garrett7855 on Jun 8, 2003 11:10:04 GMT -5
Actually, if the liberals had their way, wouldn't that mono-racial idea fit right in for them? Wouldn't their version of Utopia require everyone to be the same, think the same, act the same--to fall right in to lockstep on every issue. In fact, in the ideal socialist order they seem to be striving for, wouldn't that be the only way it could work? Perhaps that's what's wrong with the world today--rather than be individualist of the hishest order, with thoughts, beliefs, ideals and opinions of our own, we should be, oh maybe--like ants? That's it! I have had an epephany! The liberals want us to be ants! Or termites? Worker bees? Ok, I'll shut up now  . |
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Post by Peanut on Jun 8, 2003 12:58:29 GMT -5
JosephMorgan, but in this unique case the cause becomes the symptons and vice versa. Racists bread prejudice, prejudice in turn breeds more racists. They are connected because they are the same. Mono-racial societies will only in turn, bring more anxiety between the races and poof, more war. (Garrett, i am aware of how stupid it is to say "between the races" but you get what i mean).
Stomp out racism, and you end the problem. Restrict so-called free speech, ie. White power web sites, black power web sites, yadda yadda, and you keep people in their place, ie. those who want to some better then anyone else, are thrown in jail! DONE AND DONE. Racism is stupid, it cannot be classified, in any way, because it is twisted and wrong. Ending Segregation is another way of ending racism, which would mean that "Miss Black America" or "Miss Latino America" pagents would have to be closed done, just have the "MISS AMERICA" pagent and be happy. When we have groups divided solely on skin color and not culture, we are bringing back what great men and women fought all their lives to end, segregation.
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Post by JosephMorgan on Jun 8, 2003 16:23:16 GMT -5
Actually, if the liberals had their way, wouldn't that mono-racial idea fit right in for them? Wouldn't their version of Utopia require everyone to be the same, think the same, act the same--to fall right in to lockstep on every issue. For those of us who want some degree of multi-culturalism this is a problem. In effect, multi-culturalism destroys races and cultures. This and the racial hatred created are the downsides of multi-culturalism. |
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Post by Sentinel on Jul 3, 2003 9:57:18 GMT -5
"Diversity is strength" is a blatant lie. All racial strife is caused by, duh, diversity. Only two people claim to believe this lie. First, those who hate whites and want an excuse to practice racial discrimination. Second, those people with week minds who believe something just because they've heard it so many times.
There is strength in racial purity. A society only has to address needs of one group. Japan has the higest literacy rate in the world, in spite of relative small spending on education? How? In part, they don't need to screw around trying to develop educational plans for diverse people.
The racial strife in a multi-racial society can be reduced if the society doesn't push "multi-culturalism" where everyone is forced to be racially aware and were the local culture is forced to surrender to foreign culture.
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Post by Peanut on Jul 3, 2003 21:13:31 GMT -5
Sentinel, i disagree, canada is proud of it's multi-cultural heritage, I can say i am Canadian and yet i can STILL say i am Polish, why? Because of this acceptance, i'm not sayign canada is better for it, but i sure as hell am saying it helps my country be a better one. Any country that denies itself of others heritages or tries to end diversity, is only hurting itself in the end. Just look at the all the stupid things people in iraq are saying about americans, and vice versa. Look at what's going on in ireland between protestants and catholics. Do i even have to get into the stuff goin on between palestinians and jews?! Come on now, diversity is a strength, weak-minded people make it a flaw.
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Post by Sentinel on Jul 4, 2003 11:07:48 GMT -5
Sentinel, i disagree, canada is proud of it's multi-cultural heritage, I can say i am Canadian and yet i can STILL say i am Polish, why?. If Canada is anything like the USA, you're constantly fed pro-multicultural propaganda by the media, often in the most blatant forms. Does Canada raelly have a multi-cultural heritage? I thought it was an English colony and otherwise very European in ancestry (Canadian Indians aside). But, now your goverment wants you to accept waves of Asians, Arabs, and whoever else with their very different cultures. Next, you'll have to stop practicing your culture to avoid offending them (or, is that already the case in Sodomite Canada?). Freedom is slavery, right. I'm perfectly willing to tolerate those who are different. But, I take offense at immigrants being given special rights over myself (e.g. that so-called Affirmative Action) as well being forced to change my culture so I don't offend them. If they want to come here, let them accept America as it is -- they're more willing to do that than the do-gooder liberals who are as native as I am. HOW is diversity strength? Because diversity prevents us from saying stupid things? Iraq has lots of diversity. There are sharp differences between the Shiites, Kurds, and Arab Iraqis. All it leads to is lots of bloodshed -- yeah, that's stength. Why don't you get passed the propaganda? |
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Post by Peanut on Jul 4, 2003 12:54:56 GMT -5
"If Canada is anything like the USA, you're constantly fed pro-multicultural propaganda by the media, often in the most blatant forms. Does Canada raelly have a multi-cultural heritage? I thought it was an English colony and otherwise very European in ancestry (Canadian Indians aside). But, now your goverment wants you to accept waves of Asians, Arabs, and whoever else with their very different cultures. Next, you'll have to stop practicing your culture to avoid offending them (or, is that already the case in Sodomite Canada?). Freedom is slavery, right." - WHAT CANADIAN CULTURE!? hockey and doughnuts?! beavers and coffee?! there is no canadian culture, canadian culture is multi-cultural, that's it. A canadian is not one race, it's anyone leaving in canada, but also celebrating their heritage. We were colonized by french and british colonists, but so were you, we just brought in more people that were non-white, and over time embraced it into our culture. Why do you have more rights then any other immigrant, you are the offspring of immigrants (ancestorally), dont be a hypocrite. You're ancestors were given the chance to lie in the USA, when i'm sure many didn't feel they should have any rights. So why are you taking away that freedom, from others who seek it? what right do you have to do that?
As for the strength in diversity, i can see everyday in canada, so if can work here, it can work anywhere. Poeple are too tied down to blind beliefs to see the world is not black and white, but a complete shade of grey.
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Post by Sentinel on Jul 4, 2003 17:21:14 GMT -5
WHAT CANADIAN CULTURE!? hockey and doughnuts?! beavers and coffee?! there is no canadian culture, canadian culture is multi-cultural, that's it. That sounds so sad. You're a person without a culture, exept what you can import. I believe the term for that is co- dependancy Didn't you read what I just said? I have less rights than immigrants. But, I see nothing wrong with having more rights because I was born here. If the strength of diversity is so clear and you see it every day, why can you not give me an example. It's clear to even a dog that diversity causes fighting. In fact, the growing body of Canadian (and western) law is nothing but an attempt to supress the natural damage from diversity. Your Canadian government is teaching you to hate yourself and you're taking it out on me. |
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