the jewish left of america are lemmings

[Gator]

they go along with non-jewish libs in a targeted and hatefull wrath aimed at tiny jewish state. this trend will catch up with them one day and they will have to chose. many will not sew on stars of david and pretend to be good little anti- zionists?

[GregoryA]

What you have observed is indeed happening. I would explain this phenomenon as people caring more about strict dogma/ideology over the servival of human beings.

I am not Jewish, however there are many conservative Jewish voices in American who broke away from or were never part of this socialist/ultra liberal desease which infects many Jewish people.

These conservative Jews need to be heard more and more to balnce off agaisnt the other side which is basically suicidal in my view.

[midcan5]

So if I read you guys right criticism is a bad thing no matter what? The Jews are liberals because they have been persecuted for thousands of years. Empathy is born of experience.

[Ian]

midcan5 said:

So if I read you guys right criticism is a bad thing no matter what? The Jews are liberals because they have been persecuted for thousands of years. Empathy is born of experience.

So are you saying the Muslims are liberal?

[GregoryA]

midcan5 said:

So if I read you guys right criticism is a bad thing no matter what? The Jews are liberals because they have been persecuted for thousands of years. Empathy is born of experience.

No you are not reading us correctly. The state of Israel is surrounded by neighbors who wish to see it vaporized. How many more homicide bombers do we need before you can see that this is The Final Solution in slow motion?
How do you empathsize with people who dream of the day of your inihilation?

I am not Jewish so I cannot speak to why some very vocal Jews are liberals. But I will say that liberalism does not automatically translate into empathy.

[Ian]

To the contrary, today's liberalism seeks to disguise appeasment as empathy.

[GregoryA]

By the way I am not a Zionist (no one has called me such but I just wanted to clear about that).

I believe a Palestinian state must exist for there to be peace in the Middle East. And there needs to be rock solide security for Isreal.

Now I am a nationalist and I believe both the Isrealis and the Palestinians need and deserve a nation.

The one thing I can say is positive about this situation is that it demonstrates the perferct naturalness of Nationalism.

I wish our so-called conservative president would start protecting and preserving our national autonomy. He could do that be retracting this idea of legallizing illegal aliens.

It seems the same lemmings Jewish or otherwise are also in favor of legalizing the illegals.

The never met a cliff they didn't want to jump off.

[Patriot]

Despite my conservative tendencies, I must take issue with Gator's initial post, namely, that most liberal American Jews are anti-Israel. That assumption is myopic, to put it mildly.

Most liberal American Jews are pro-peace. That doesn't mean, however, that they are anti-Zionist. The Rational Man theorem automatically purports that everyone acts in their own self-interest, and it would be self-betrayal for American Jews to turn their backs on their own people. Rather, what they have come to understand is that peace via cooperation bodes best for ceasefire, and that ceasefire saves Israeli lives!

Most American Jews can only date their ancestry on US shores back three or four generations; most are of European descent and have family ties to Holocaust victims. Those who aren't directly familar with the daily violence in Israel are vicariously aware of the tragedies of persecution via pogroms, etc, of yesteryears in former fatherlands. So, those liberal American Jews aren't as lecherous toward their brethren as Gator concludes.

Many American Jews disagree with Israel's tough Knesset, particularly under Sharon's leadership. Nonetheless, that is because they understand that a solution for peace in the Middle East will ultimately have to be carved from the rubble which pervades that region. It ultimately boils down to a simple issue of human rights for all parties, and it seems that American Jews, who are not directly affected by violence, have come to that conclusion apart from an immediacy for self-defense.