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Post by Sentinel on Jul 5, 2003 16:02:50 GMT -5
Yep, 2/3 of Americans think creationism should be taught in schools, but 55% sould it should not be taught to the exclusion of evolution. Thus, people seem to want both views, but the majority is still against a Creationist only view. But yes, the margin is not much... Similarly 6/10 believe sex between consenting gays should be legal; and this opinion is steadily growing over the decades. You can take the next step and admit two things: 1) I have demonstrated media bias. 2) your earlier argument about these being "extreme viewpoints unrepresentative of what most people think" is faulty. Of course, the pro-evolution, pro-sodomy viewpoint is growing. But, this is because the media (and government schools) are 100% dedicated to promoting this view. Surely you would agree that people tend to believe a view that is exclusively pushed by the media and schools? That Euopeans are ahead of the US on these curve is hardly anything to be proud of unless you want to be proud of thought-control. The merits these subjects are not at issue here, only the bias of the media. |
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Post by garrett7855 on Jul 10, 2003 1:17:22 GMT -5
Absolutely correct. We find ourselves having to correct our kids on a fairly regular basis. The liberally controlled public education system spends far more time and taxpayer money on indoctrination than on education.
We have not been fortunate enough to be able to take the private school or home school route, so we have had to ride herd continuously to correct the liberal bs line they get thrown at them.
I realise that's just one example of the type of liberal thought control going on, but if more parents would find the time to track what's being thrown at their kids, the libs would have a much harder time getting their lines swallowed. Kids WILL listen if we just make the effort.
If they'll buy the garbage the schools throw at them from people they don't even really know, they'll certainly buy the truth from the people they know best and respect the most.
Oh, and if you AREN'T the person they love and trust most, then you haven't done your job as parent very effectively, have you? We teach or children to respect and trust us at an early age. Don't expect to wait til they're in high school to start teaching that and expect reasonably good results. You have to start from the day they recognise your voice to get GOOD results.
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Post by HughDog on Aug 12, 2003 18:36:15 GMT -5
"Right wing media is turning America into a Neo-Nazi paradise."
Gee, that's funny. The "neo-Nazi" media trips over itself to worship Israel.
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Post by Harvey Wanker on Aug 19, 2003 18:25:10 GMT -5
Boy that liberal bias out there is taking over! Just the other day I was at Borders thinking that liberal scum is everywhere. Of course everywhere I looked was yet another book by another conservative such as Hannity, Limbaugh, Savage, and now even lame country singers like Charlie Daniels. However the conservatives are never heard - unless of course you listen to the radio....
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Post by MO on Aug 19, 2003 19:56:25 GMT -5
What you are describing has nothing to do with media bias. You are ranting about capitalism and the free market economy. Hannity, Rush, Ann Coulter and the rest of them are not journalists, they are political pundits. They are not paid to give un-biased news, people buy their opinions. There are some on the left who do the same like that 400 pounds of pig excrete, Michael Moore. It does seem to be more conservatives who hit the best sellers list than liberals. I think it is because conservatives are more inclined to read a book.
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Post by flossingofamerica on Aug 20, 2003 10:57:37 GMT -5
Mo, how old are you? Could you act it then?
You make this brilliant point about the difference between a journalist and an entertainer and then you throw egg in your own face with a comment insinuating that liberals don't read. Come on...you just destroyed any legitimacy your argument would have had because you just lost respect from anyone who would want to have an intelligent conversation or debate.
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Post by MO on Aug 20, 2003 13:23:28 GMT -5
ppffff! I believe that in general, conservatives are more knowledgeable in history, politics and human nature. I believe conservatives probably DO read more than liberals. I have seen studies that suggest that conservatives get more news from a wide variety of sources. Debate away! Personal attacks will not shake me from my beliefs. Playground antics only lend credibility to my premise.
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Post by flossingofamerica on Aug 20, 2003 23:33:05 GMT -5
Exactly...cramming a whole group of people into a group and calling them uneducated is a playground antic.
There are studies that will help you prove any point. Care to cite these studies? I don't really; I don't buy much into them.
I don't agree with self-professed conservatives on a lot of social issues, but I would never call you uneducated, nor would I insinuate that you don't read. Why? It ends a debate before it starts...want the point proven? Have we discussed the difference between journalists and their entertainer counterpoints?
I read a tremendous amount, and I do enjoy good debate. I do dislike being personally attacked and when you say that liberals don't read...it is you personally attacking me, not the other way around...playground antics were yours, not mine. Done with this drivel, have a nice day.
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Post by MO on Aug 20, 2003 23:59:02 GMT -5
Do you expect to be able to log on to a conservative rant board and not see generalizations made about liberals? Perhaps you should grow a thicker skin. I lurk at liberal boards all the time. I see what they are saying about conservatives. I'm adult enough to understand that it is political and I don't take it personally. Sorry to any of you liberals out there who may be fragile. Boo hoo.  |
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Post by flossingofamerica on Aug 21, 2003 0:17:29 GMT -5
boohoo? And I am engaging in playground antics?
Sheesh...this is ridiculous.
I did not get on this board expecting anything in particular. I liked foamy dog's approach to things, which I might add, I do not see on many forums at all...'Let's talk about it.' You don't want to talk, you want to spit out slogans and personal attacks. I, personally, cannot understand that sort of mentality. That's what I was pointing out.
I didn't say you hurt my feelings. I said that while you were accusing me of childish behavior, you were engaging in a bit of your own. I didn't say, 'you big conservative meaniehead, you hurt my little liberal feelings.' I said, 'it is you personally attacking me, not the other way around...playground antics were yours, not mine.'
Do you see any thin skin, hurt feelings in that statement...no...it is simply pointing out your double standard, and more importantly your double-talk. What I was most upset about is that your point was valid and insightful, and then you ruined it. Most people, in my experience, are not too far off from each other in basic moral ideals. Where it gets tricky, in the specifics of why...that's where it is interesting to discuss. It's hard to discuss when you are fending off personal crap that has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
My mother's (as well as many others, I suppose) favorite line was, 'if your friend jumped off a cliff would you do it too?' So, just because these bleeding heart liberal forums are attacking conservatives, do you think you are supposed to, as well?
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Post by MO on Aug 21, 2003 0:36:00 GMT -5
"So, just because these bleeding heart liberal forums are attacking conservatives, do you think you are supposed to, as well?"
No! I'd much rather pick on liberals! ;D
I might argue with them on their boards, but they don't allow conservatives to post.
I'll start posting some of their off the wall garbage here so you can see how "tolerant" and "intellectually superior" they really are.
"If ignorance is bliss, why is everyone so unhappy?"
No condescending, intellectual superiority from you!
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Post by flossingofamerica on Aug 21, 2003 0:49:19 GMT -5
"So, just because these bleeding heart liberal forums are attacking conservatives, do you think you are supposed to, as well?" No! I'd much rather pick on liberals! Okay, fine...I give. Pick on me all you want. Call me a liberal. Call me uneducated... For your information...the quote, as I'm sure you know because you are so well-read, it is from Mark Twain. It's a mockery of intellectual superiority...a joke of it, and you would have taken it that way had you an inkling of its history. That quote has been around longer than I've been alive and it wasn't serious when it was first said...it was a comment on how people view the other people around them. If we were all the ignorant fools others perceived us as, well then, we would live in bliss, for ignorance is bliss. The passage the quote is pulled from is not, in the least condescending...it is inspiring. Twain fancied himself as anything but an intellectual. |
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Post by MO on Aug 21, 2003 7:39:30 GMT -5
"Okay, fine...I give. Pick on me all you want. Call me a liberal. Call me uneducated..."
I didn't call you anything!
"Twain fancied himself as anything but an intellectual."
Yes, he wouldn't have been personally insulted by:
"It does seem to be more conservatives who hit the best sellers list than liberals. I think it is because conservatives are more inclined to read a book."
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Post by garrett7855 on Aug 23, 2003 0:44:11 GMT -5
Playground antics? Has everyone lost sight of the issues at hand? Come on folks-I KNOW from reading the past posts from BOTH of you, that you're both better than this crud.
In fact, you have both had well-reasoned intellegent statements that really have made me stop and think hard on more than one occaision. MO, Flossing, come on now, kiss and make up-you're both much better than this!
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Post by MO on Aug 23, 2003 1:08:11 GMT -5
"It does seem to be more conservatives who hit the best sellers list than liberals. I think it is because conservatives are more inclined to read a book."
That is the statement in question and I stand by it. I believe that young people are likely to be very liberal. As they become accustomed to paying taxes, working, living in the real world, and questioning news sources they become more educated and more conservative. Sorry to disappoint you, that is my belief.
Why do YOU think liberal political pundits can't sell books? Why do you think they can't make it in the ratings market of talk radio? Liberal radio has been tried and it does not sell. No one listens! There are just not enough people in America that want to listen to how terrible America is for three hours, everyday.
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