How do Muslims view Obama?

[angrypuppy]

Pipes on how the Muslim world perceives Obama
Definitely not as a Christian; sometimes as a Muslim apostate. Always as the best thing for Islam, no matter how much he "distances" himself from the faith. "Obama through Muslim eyes," by Daniel Pipes for the Jerusalem Post, August 25:

How do Muslims see Barack Obama? They have three choices: either as he presents himself, as one who has "never been a Muslim" and has "always been a Christian"; or as a fellow Muslim; or as an apostate from Islam.

Reports suggests that while Americans generally view the Democratic candidate having had no religion before converting at Rev. Jeremiah Wrights's hands at 27, Muslims the world over rarely see him as Christian but usually as either Muslim or ex-Muslim.

Lee Smith of the Hudson Institute explains why: "Barack Obama's father was Muslim and therefore, according to Islamic law, so is the candidate. In spite of the Koranic verses explaining that there is no compulsion in religion, a Muslim child takes the religion of his or her father... For Muslims around the world, non-American Muslims at any rate, they can only ever see Barack Hussein Obama as a Muslim."

In addition, his school record from Indonesia lists him as a Muslim. Thus, an Egyptian newspaper, Al-Masri al-Youm, refers to his "Muslim origins." Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi referred to Obama as "a Muslim" and a person with an "African and Islamic identity." One Al-Jazeera analysis calls him a "non-Christian man," a second refers to his "Muslim Kenyan" father, and a third, by Naseem Jamali, notes that "Obama may not want to be counted as a Muslim, but Muslims are eager to count him as one of their own."

A conversation in Beirut, quoted in the Christian Science Monitor, captures the puzzlement. "He has to be good for Arabs because he is a Muslim," observed a grocer. "He's not a Muslim, he's a Christian," replied a customer. Retorted the grocer: "He can't be a Christian. His middle name is Hussein." Arabic discussions of Obama sometimes mention his middle name as a code, with no further comment needed.[...]

BUT THIS excitement also has a dark side - suspicions that Obama is a traitor to his birth religion, an apostate (murtadd) from Islam. Al-Qaida has prominently featured Obama's statement "I am not a Muslim" and one analyst, Shireen K. Burki of the University of Mary Washington, sees Obama as "bin Laden's dream candidate." Should he become US commander-in-chief, she believes, Al-Qaida would likely "exploit his background to argue that an apostate is leading the global war on terror... to galvanize sympathizers into action."

While simultaneously engaging in double-talk, by always praising Americans for picking such a candidate, thereby lulling America and its president, while biding more time for itself to regroup and go on the offensive -- which is exactly when they will denounce him as an apostate.
In sum, Muslims puzzle over Obama's present religious status. They resist his self-identification as a Christian, while they assume a baby born to a Muslim father and named "Hussein" began life a Muslim.



www.jihadwatch.org/archives/022397.php

[angrypuppy]

Fitzgerald: How the Islamic world views Obama
Menashe Amir, the Iranian-born head of Radio Israel’s Persian language service, has said: “One of the Iranian religious leaders said if Obama will enter the White House, then Islam will conquer the heart of the American nation.”

Of course Barack Obama is not a Muslim. But if Muslim peoples and states are heartened by the belief that his "Muslim connection" makes him a secret sympathizer, and if he acts in such a way as to allow Muslims, with their conspiracy-theory view of things (conspiracies against them, but also secret conspiracies by "hidden" Muslims), to continue to believe that he is, then it is not enough for him merely to deny being a Muslim. For that is not the main point, or should not be, in what is worrisome about that "Muslim connection" insufficiently rejected. Obama has not provided any demonstration of that rejection -- a meeting with Ayaan Hirsi Ali might help. Nor has he shown any understanding of Islam that takes us beyond the sentimental pieties of Bush, Rice, and others in the current, miscomprehending and therefore confused and endlessly surprised administration. See, for example, the dawning realization that Pakistan is not that "staunch" ally that Bush kept thinking it surely must be, and never was -- and because of Islam, never can be.

And if Muslim regimes and rulers and peoples believe that Obama is a "secret sympathizer" (naturally not making a move toward an open return, or reversion, to Islam out of political calculations that they, the taqiyya-masters, find perfectly understandable, even laudable), they may well be emboldened to act as they might otherwise not act. See Iran, see its possible imperviousness to pressure from an American government headed, as many may think, by a "secret Muslim sympathizer." See Slow Jihadists and Fast Jihadists alike.

For that matter, think of European political figures. How easy will it be for them to meet with an American President named Barack Obama and confide in him, behind closed doors, that the situation in their lands has become very dangerous, and will become more so, because of the enlarged presence of aggressive Muslims? How easy will it be for them to explain that the Western countries, working in tandem, must not only end Muslim immigration, but also end Saudi and other outside funding of mosques, madrasas, propaganda, campaigns of Da'wa, and finally, create an atmosphere that is not one of continued accommodation but of resolute refusal to make their countries any more Islam-friendly than they already have made them -- to their own great sorrow, based on a dawning realization of what has passed, and is passing, and is to come?

Will the leaders of France, Italy, England, Spain, Germany, Denmark, The Netherlands confide in Barack Obama? In the councils of NATO, will generals from European countries describe to their American counterparts the terrible internal security risks that Muslims in European armies, and police forces, and simply inside the Lands of the Infidels, the Bilad al-Kufr, now so obviously pose? Or will they hesitate, because they too, are uncertain about Barack Obama?

These are not theoretical nor wild questions. They are verisimilar. They are perfectly valid. And the fact that at neither Barack Obama nor his advisers have recognized this problem, or have warned Muslim rulers and regimes and peoples not to harbor any illusions about supposed "secret sympathies" -- well, that both amazes and alarms.

Compounding this alarm is Obama’s choice of foreign policy advisers. Obama chose, early on, the egregious and execrable Zbigniew Brzezinski, Carter’s man. Does Obama really wish to be associated with Jimmy Carter in any way? Brzezinski helped Carter abandon the Shah (with Gary Sick playing his little role as an “Iran expert”), though I doubt that Brzezinski had a hand in composing Carter’s treacly letter to the Ayatollah Khomeini, who was addressed by Carter “as a fellow man of faith.” And Brzezinski, with Carter, was the chief bullier of Begin and the rest of the Israeli delegation at Camp David.

And then there is Samantha Power. Her entire career has been owed to her “work” on genocide; the Sudan made her. Yet there is no indication that Samantha Power understands that the Sudan has been an exhibit over the past two decades of Muslim Arab malevolence and aggression toward the Christians and animists of the south and toward the non-Arab Muslims of Darfur. In the south it has been a classic Jihad, designed to continue the push southward by the forces of Islam that has been going on, slowly at first, over the past century in the Sudan. The result has been about 2 million murdered or starved to death. And in Darfur, which for some reason was of much greater interest to the kristofs and the powers that be, exhibits the signs of being not a classic Jihad against the Infidel, but is rather a manifestation of the Arab supremacism of which Islam has always been the vehicle.

While McCain shows similar incomprehension, all this hardly inspires confidence in Barack Obama.

www.jihadwatch.org/archives/022601.php

[midcan5]

Damn that is more baloney and pure BS than I thought was possible on one page.

Americans will select the next president, they should do so based on the issues that face us: jobs, healthcare, security, environment, ending an illegal war, and rebuilding our infrastructure.


A vote for McCain/Palin is a vote against the fundamental principle of America, the right of the individual to lead their life privately without the government interfering.

[angrypuppy]

midcan, You sure do know your baloney and pure BS, I guess that is what has blinded you to the truth. The sadness is not only what it does to you, but to all those whom trust in you. Unlike You, I'm not here to tell others what to think. Unlike you, I am not here to tell people what to do or not do. Your Issues are in part, biased, incomplete, incorrect, and mis representative. You lie. I'm not telling you anything you do not already know, ...inside.

I think midcan, that You do not have a clue as to the meaning of "The Fundamentalist Principle of America." I'll give You a tiny hint ... We associate Big Government with Tyranny. Can You say ....Tyrant. Good, now practice that a little.

[angrypuppy]

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[angrypuppy]

Federalist Papers Search on "Tyranny" and "Tyrant".
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1. www.constitution.org/fed/federali.txt
The subject speaks its own importance; ... If there be any truth in the remark, the crisis at which we are arrived may with propriety be regarded as the era in which that decision
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2. The Federalist #63
provident a safeguard against the tyranny of their own ... attempt an establishment of tyranny. Without corrupting the State ... the aristocratic usurpations and tyranny which are at some
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3. The Federalist #18
Some of the cities fell under the tyranny of Macedonian garrisons; ... soon provoked by his tyrannies, fresh combinations among the ... the members, than to tyranny in the head. PUBLIUS
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4. The Federalist #84
and most formidable instruments of tyranny. The observations of the judicious Blackstone,1 ... must at once convey the alarm of tyranny throughout the whole nation; but confinement of
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5. The Federalist #53
I SHALL here, perhaps, be reminded of a current observation, "that where annual elections end, tyranny begins." If it be ... that the advance towards tyranny was to be calculated
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6. The Federalist #48
must lead to the same tyranny as is threatened by executive usurpations. ... the ambitious intrigues of their executive magistrates, tyranny may well be apprehended, on some favorable
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7. The Federalist #47
pronounced the very definition of tyranny. Were the federal Constitution, therefore, really chargeable with the accumulation of power, or with a mixture of powers, having a
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8. The Federalist #83
as a barrier to the tyranny of popular magistrates in a popular government. Discussions of this kind would be more curious than beneficial, as all are satisfied of the utility of
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9. The Federalist #70
Dictator, as well against the intrigues of ambitious individuals who aspired to the tyranny, and the seditions of whole classes of the community whose conduct threatened the
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10. The Federalist #21


A successful faction may erect a tyranny on the ruins of order and law, while no succor could constitutionally be afforded by the Union to the friends and supporters of the
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1. www.constitution.org/fed/federali.txt
people; commencing demagogues, and ending tyrants. In the course of the preceding observations, I have had an eye, my fellow-citizens, to putting you upon your guard against all
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2. The Federalist #60
States to the places of election, to voerthrow their tyrants, and to substitute men who would be disposed to avenge the violated majesty of the people? PUBLIUS 1. Particularly in
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3. The Federalist #29
to the seat of the tyrants, who had meditated so foolish as well as so wicked a project, to crush them in their imagined intrenchments of power, and to make them an example of the
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4. The Federalist #1
people; commencing demagogues, and ending tyrants. In the course of the preceding observations, I have had an eye, my fellow-citizens, to putting you upon your guard against all
www.constitution.org/fed/federa01.htm

5. The Federalist #18
Their example was followed by others, as opportunities were found of cutting off their tyrants. The league soon embraced almost the whole Peloponnesus. Macedon saw its progress;
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