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Post by strawberry2025 on Jul 29, 2004 23:40:50 GMT -5
Saying that all actors are not just humans like you and I is like saying that blacks, hispanics, chinese, arabs, etc. are not like you and me and do not want the same things out of life like happiness, stability, and hope.
Jealousy only begets bigotry...
and who has more to lose for speaking their mind, an actor who makes their money on their public's opinions, or the average person who has really nothing to lose but keeps quiet out of fear.
If the industry leaned more on your side you would be all for them speaking out.
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Post by scummybear on Jul 30, 2004 9:28:48 GMT -5
Can you not read? Did I say ANYTHING in my post about them not being human? NO!
I was making the point that they are certainly not the same as me or you.
They have money, power, fame, etc. . . may not buy happiness, but it'll buy a butt-load of stability and "hope". You're not comparing apples to apples here.
Don't even try to call me a bigot, lady. You don't know anything about me, and you certainly can't come to that conclusion based on your inability to read and understand a comment.
Actors and actresses make a choice to speak their minds. They are certainly not missing any meals for doing so. The only actors and actresses who risk losing work nowadays are conservative (just in case you haven't noticed ).
What??
It's nice to have the right to speak out. It's also nice to be able to disagree without having your head cut off. It's just a shame that some choose to speak out in a way that's harmful to those in harm's way. Specifically, our troops, who are trying to defend your right to disagree.
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Post by scummybear on Aug 3, 2004 14:03:53 GMT -5
That's what I thought, Gutless!
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Post by TNRighty on Aug 3, 2004 17:05:53 GMT -5
It doesn't bother me that most of Hollywood falls into the "Liberal Whackjob" category. For every Hollywood liberal there are thousands of ordinary average-Joe liberals. Those are the ones that are the most dangerous just because there are so many of them. What angers me about Hollywood liberals is that they've overstepped their bounds as actors and think that their fame and popularity qualifies them to be political pundits despite the fact that the vast majority of them are grossly uneducated on topics such as history, economics, and national defense. What's even worse is that the average Joe liberal falls for the crap they hear from celebrities just because they liked the movie. Too many Americans are getting their news from MTV, E!, and Comedy Central. You can't keep Hollywood liberals off T.V. We can only hope that the American public can distinguish between Streisand the singer and Streisand the hemophiliac liberal nutess. This is tough to do in a society of celebrity-worship. As an aside, a couple years ago there was a poll in Hollywood among actors inquiring which actor they thought would make the best president. The winner of that poll was Martin Sheen because he plays the president on NBC's The West Wing.
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Post by scummybear on Aug 4, 2004 9:18:20 GMT -5
I think Martin better stick to sleeping on sewer grates with the homeless.  |
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Post by trucolors57 on Aug 11, 2004 14:19:42 GMT -5
It seems too bad that so many of my favorite entertainment industry actors and writers are such liberal firebrands! Having been a commercial artist my whole life, I realize how tough it is to find other "sensitive types " whose company one can bear.In this little town, it seems everybody like me is a tree hugger- while all the conservatives are bankers and city council members who assume I'm a liberal because of my occupation and possibly because of the way I look. It's a problem in my life, and I know it must be in the Hollywood community, for people like Gary Sinise and others whom I suspect are closet conservatives.  |
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Post by Essences on Sept 10, 2004 13:43:50 GMT -5
I seriously believe that America has a very big problem with their idolization of celebrities. I don't care if you watch them and enjoy their actual work, but don't let them tell you what to think! Somewhere along the way many have forgotten how important it is for US citizens to be educated, have their own ideas, and actively support them theirselves by voting and the like. I recently got out of highschool, am legal to vote, but know next to nothing about the real issues involved with voting. My education thus far hasn't taught me what the heck most of the terms on voting ballots mean let alone how whatever they are is going to affect me. I understand I should have taken the time to look into the issues and figure it out for myself but a basic understand of these things would have been nice, and it might have inspired others to get involved, form their own opinions and vote. Instead of listening to what the next big winner of American Idol or something has to say. .
Whether or not the celebrities who go out and say what their positions are do truely support that side of the issue is or not I don't know. If they do though I believe that there are certain times and places where the discussion of such things should be permitted, and that they are taking advantage of their power as idols and it should not be allowed. I realize that's probably not 'right' given the 1st ammedment but it's still wrong of them to do it. It's so sad that such a large portion of the US is such suggestable mush minded people.
And is it just me or has the ammount of idols and their power escalated dramatically over the last few years? I mean. .its like anyone can become famous and people will love them fiercely right off the bat. .reality tv and little pop star singers seem particularly bad. .have we nothing better to do with our lives?
and don't misunderstand my earlier comment about my education thus far, I think its great that we can vote at 18, espcially since we can serve at that age, I just think it would be better if we were taught something about how to vote, not what to vote, just the terminology and stuff if that makes sense. .I dunno maybe I'm just young and dumb. .
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Post by scummybear on Sept 10, 2004 19:31:22 GMT -5
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How to vote:
REPUBLICAN! It's the lever on the right!
(just kidding)
Of course your not dumb!
Just try to view all perspectives, and let common sense be your guide.
Welcome!
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Post by TNRighty on Sept 10, 2004 19:39:22 GMT -5
You're not young and dumb. At least you're aware of these issues and concerned about them, which is much more than can be said about most 18-yr olds, including myself at that age. A High School education alone will not make you an educated voter. At this point in your life, you only know what other people have told you; parents, teachers, etc. You're about to start having to think for yourself, and once you do you'll come to realize that a lot of the stuff you've been taught is complete B.S. First of all, just because someone is older than you, doesn't mean they're right. To know what you truly believe, you must also know what not to believe. You've probably had teachers tell you, "there is no right or wrong answer." Well, get that crap out of your head right now. There is such a thing as right and wrong, and there are consequences for being wrong. Anyways, sorry to ramble, but those are just a few of the things I've learned in the ten years since I graduated high school.
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Post by Essences on Sept 11, 2004 16:31:21 GMT -5
Thanks for the advace and encouragement, I suppose that the fact that people my age don't know what they're voting for sort of levels itself out by the fact most dont vote anyways. .but I still think it would be better if we were taught a little more about it so we could vote and vote the way we really want to and not just what we thought we meant to do or something like that if that makes sense. .anyways I'll do my best to figure it all out and do what I think is right, as I am very aware of right and wrong no matter what some say, and hope that in the end it is for the better. .although better would be a relative term. .whats good for me may not be good for others and probably often isn't. .so. .yeah. .back to the topic, I WONT let celebrities tell me what to vote!
btw, lol about the voting republican thing
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Post by RC364 on Sept 11, 2004 20:18:27 GMT -5
Good for you, Essences, when it comes to not letting celebrities have an influence on who you vote for.
People have to put in perspective where these celebs are coming from in the first place. They live in a bubble, out of touch, with the everyday man.
I believe the majority vote liberal mainly out of guilt. They work two months out of the year, love what they do and make a crap load of money doing it. They simply can't see beyond that and "feel good" voting for the party that is willing to take some of their money to "benefit" others.
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Post by scummybear on Sept 23, 2004 16:02:13 GMT -5
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Post by groucho on Oct 30, 2004 0:16:53 GMT -5
. Jealousy only begets bigotry... And IDIOCY begets LIBERALISM!!!!!!! Since 1985, I've made a fairly decent niche for myself as a drummer in a "bar band," and I've met MANY celebrity musicians (and not all of them "run to type," BTW) - the smartest ones are those who keep quiet about politics - and 75% of them lean CONSERVATIVE, "off the record." The others? My best illustration concerns two concerts that were staged in that first horrible week after 9/11 - the star-studded benefit for the victims ( not the benefit for NYC at Madison Square Garden), and a much smaller benefit that my band played. I'll never forget seeing bits of the "other" affair on TV - Mariah Carey standing next to Muhhamid Ali, and BOTH of them looking like they were expecting the gents with the white coats and butterfly nets to pounce at any moment......... Supposedly $30 million (or so) was raised by this function, and allocated to a "victim's relief fund" - but what happened to that fund immediately after the last $ was deposited is STILL a mystery, to this day!!! Oh, all the "stars" involved made much of patting themselves on the back for their "contributions," but did a single one of them bother to see that the proceeds got to the intended recipients? (This same thing also happened to the much-touted "Live Aid" affair in 1985 - little $$ actually made it to where it was intended to go). On the other side of the coin, my band was one of 8 (including one VERY well known father figure of rock) that participated in a more modest effort. Just an all-day affair at one of our local "hot spots" with the bands rotating after a 90 minute set. Being the first weekend after the WTC attack, emotion was NOT lacking, to put it mildly. Each outfit got up, and did their level best to beat back the shock and sorrow of the past week. We went on right in the middle of the affair, and played our usual raucous, high-energy hard rock set, and connected with the crowd, big-time!! During our set, (as in all the others) a "hat" was passed - patrons contributed whatever they could. By the end of the night, our combined efforts of the day had netted close to $10,000. The cash was immediately taken to a local Savings and Loan office, and duly converted into a certified check, earmarked for the 9/11 Victims Relief Fund. Two days later, it was on its' way to Mayor Guiliani's office, where it was received and deposited - and eventually DISPERSED (on October 15, to be exact)!!! All of us took great pains to ensure that our efforts would bear a viable fruit, which it did. We made DAMN sure the profit didn't get lost in red tape, or wind up feeding some bloated beaurocracy somewhere - which certainly can't be said for that "feel-good exercise" that was foisted off for national (if not global) consumption, with NOTHING to show for their efforts!!!! "Elite" is simply a slang term for TUNNEL VISION.........  |
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Post by biltom on Nov 5, 2004 12:34:46 GMT -5
I feel sorry for most hollywood liberals, they are so shallow in all they say or do outside acting and playing make believe. Many years ago, actors did not believe it was necessary to always agree with every person in this fantacy place,they thought for themselves and stood out as individuals,now they follow loke sheep....so sad.
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Post by Vagrant on Nov 5, 2004 13:28:58 GMT -5
My only problem with famous people talking about their veiws is really just minor; why are their opinions so much more important than the average joe's? There are many people with well-informed views (such as this board  ). Why aren't they on TV talking about how they feel? I know the answers, the questions are just rhetorical, but seriously some of these guys are so removed from reality that its disgusting, not just sad, disgusting. Like Richard Gere and shortly after Sept 11 when he told us that the only way to beat the terrorists is with love. Essentially, famous personalities should stick to entertaining, not trying to influence my vote. |
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). Why aren't they on TV talking about how they feel? I know the answers, the questions are just rhetorical, but seriously some of these guys are so removed from reality that its disgusting, not just sad, disgusting. Like Richard Gere and shortly after Sept 11 when he told us that the only way to beat the terrorists is with love.