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Post by JOEBIALEK on Jan 13, 2008 20:26:25 GMT -5
On this 35th anniversary of the Roe v. Wade decision, I would like to share my views on the issue of abortion.
Life begins at the point of conception. No one can deny that after a human being is conceived it will develop into the very same being as those debating this issue. What astounds me is that those who favor abortion went through an identical development stage as the being they are condemning to death. Would these very same people agree that a similiar choice should have been made about their own existence? Abortion today is used primarily as a birth control of convenience because people are too self-centered to take precautions. They prefer their own pleasurable self-indulgence over the care and sanctity of the life they created. What ever happened to taking responsibility for one's actions in this country? Is it too much to ask a woman who has conceived to place the child into adoption? Nine months of discomfort is nothing compared to life in prison for voluntary manslaughter! Does the father of the child have a say in this? And what about the constitution of the United States? Are not all people conceived in this country deserving of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? I believe abortion is a crime against humanity and should be outlawed. We need to overturn the Roe v. Wade decision and get back to cherishing life in this country. For a country that murders it's children cannot be far from self destruction.
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Post by midcan5 on Jan 15, 2008 19:15:49 GMT -5
It is a medical fact that one to 3 in five conceptions are discarded naturally within a short period of time. If these are human beings they have short lives. But let's not quibble, let's support education of all kinds, support for a day after pill to contraceptives and make abortion a thing of the past.
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Post by MO on Jan 19, 2008 2:33:03 GMT -5
It's a medical fact that most people are dead of natural causes before they reach their 90th birthday, but that doesn't mean it's okay to bludgeon 90 year olds to death.
The morning after pill is already available. To make it too easily available is to make it dangerous to the health of women. The birth control pill is a lower dose of the same drugs, and requires a prescription, because of side effects. Places where the morning after pill is easily obtained are not seeing a reduction in abortion, but they are seeing it purchased and used on women against their knowledge and consent.
From the original post-
No, she has a legal opt out after conception, but he doesn't. If a man gets a woman pregnant and doesn't want to be a father, he's told he is scum, a pig, a deadbeat dad. If a woman gets pregnant and doesn't want to be a mother, she's "pro-choice." So much for "equal rights."
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Post by midcan5 on Jan 27, 2008 9:28:01 GMT -5
This thread should be moved.
Mo, if we are going to argue that dead is where we are headed then why not choose death now? Potential is not a good argument for banning abortion as most people do not choose to be parents each month. Life is important but how we live it matters too. Just as life requires commitment, parenting requires immense commitment, because contraception didn't work or hormonal behavior overcame good sense does not mean we have to become parents. But again practice what you preach and make sure sure everyone has the education and the tools to make abortion a non event.
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Post by MO on Jan 31, 2008 23:02:05 GMT -5
"Mo, if we are going to argue that dead is where we are headed then why not choose death now?"
Okay, you go first.
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Post by greenfire on Feb 1, 2008 5:38:24 GMT -5
You don't have equal rights because the biology of the situation isn't equal. The fetus needs her body, not yours. Your part is done until birth, if it gets that far. Every time you have sex you should ask yourself, "am I ready to be a Dad?". If more of your "Pro-Life" brothers took responsibility for their kids, there'd be fewer abortions, fewer kids with problems, fewer kids having kids, fewer unwanted preganancies, fewer abortions, and so on, and on....
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Post by midcan5 on Feb 4, 2008 21:07:16 GMT -5
"Mo, if we are going to argue that dead is where we are headed then why not choose death now?" Okay, you go first. LOL |
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Post by JOEBIALEK on Feb 19, 2008 23:54:25 GMT -5
good points
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Post by step on Feb 28, 2008 12:04:48 GMT -5
I don't care about when life begins. I don't care about the legality of abortion.
Here's my story:
I'm a older guy now. I have had five children. One is nearing 40 and has two children himself, my grandchildren.
The other four I paid to have chopped up and flushed down the drain. At the time I though it was the right thing to do, and frankly it really didn't matter much to me....then.
Now it bothers the dickens out of me, and I wish to God that I had allowed those four kids to live, to enjoy life and to be a part of my family. It's too late now, of course. But it's a crying shame.
Those of you young folks who adore the freedom provided by abortion will age just as I have. And when you are my age you will think of the kids you killed and it'll bother you. Some of you will never have additional children and you will have killed the only chance that you had to have your own children. This is the grist of nightmare, suicide and melancholy.
So please, think twice before you go over the the abortion butcher. No, think ten times...a hundred. And finally think if the kid you are about to murder. And oh, BTW: it hurts.
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Post by MO on Mar 15, 2008 22:28:00 GMT -5
step-
You make good points, step, and I'm sorry for your loss.
You understand a point I've been making, and that is, plenty of people regret abortions, but no one gets old, or sits on their death bed and wishes they had fewer children. That is true even of people who gave up children for adoption, or who struggled with kids born during times that weren't ideal.
I don't have ill will towards people that have experienced abortion in a personal way. Some of best girl friends struggle with the experience.
Good on you for growing up and seeing a fundamental point in the debate.
Greenfire-
Were you responding to MY post? I am "Mo" the mother of children.
If you're talking to all men, than you have some good advice. Yes, men should absolutley be responsible before they take that chance.
I'm a woman, and I completely reject the notion that men shouldn't have an equal voice in this discussion. Men are legally as responsible for children once born. The fact is, legally, women get unequal rights. If a man wants his child, he has no say, but if she wants to have it, he's screwed for 18 years of child support payments! The legal system is unfair in this regard. In this way, I am a REAL feminist! Marriage has always assumed equal responsibility for children. Kids born out of wedlock, the man should decide if he wants to have a physical or financial responsibility to. After all, she has that choice through abortion.
It's often the "pro-choice" dads that run out on their responsibilities on women who decided to have their babies. Don't even suggest that men should be neutral on the subject. That's dating code for being an ass among decent women, looking for someone who is, well, decent. For one thing, one of the best things you can do for a woman that is carrying your child is to be excited about the child, not treat it as a "product of conception". Father abandonment has increased significantly since the Roe decision. Yet, that was one of the things abortion was supposed to curb, along with mother child abandonment, infanticide, child abuse, child neglect, high school drop out rates, and all other sorts of social ills. They were used as reasons for legal abortion, yet they've been on the increase.
So, "greenfire" sell it to someone who doesn't know any better. I'm not buying any crazy today.
Sell that kind of crazy to old fart boomers; I'm a gen x'er that knows better.
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