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Post by midcan5 on Apr 24, 2014 5:17:16 GMT -5
The idea that the person begins at conception has changed due to science. When I grew up the age of reason came at seven. How do we define a conception that ends naturally as many do. And why do we not support education so abortion become rare. A few thoughtful pieces below. "In the 1950s, about a million illegal abortions a year were performed in the U.S., and over a thousand women died each year as a result. Women who were victims of botched or unsanitary abortions came in desperation to hospital emergency wards, where some died of widespread abdominal infections. Many women who recovered from such infections found themselves sterile or chronically and painfully ill. The enormous emotional stress often lasted a long time." www.feminist.com/resources/ourbodies/abortion.htmlcivilliberty.about.com/od/abortion/tp/abortionmyths.htmabortion debate: aphilosopher.googlepages.com/beckwith-nobis-web.htm |
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Post by MO on Jul 18, 2014 8:38:01 GMT -5
The science is clear that life begins at conception.
Does that mean you support abortion to the age of seven?
Do you mean a miscarriage? The same way we define any other natural death. The fact that some old men are already dead from natural causes by the time they're 70 doesn't justify beating 70 year old men over the head with a blunt object.
If abortion isn't wrong, there is no reason to strive for it to be rare.
You post links of long disproved propaganda.
Most "back alley" abortions were performed by trained doctors. The rate of per capita maternal death has decreased since the 1950s, but that's true of many surgical procedures. The numbers of abortions increased after "on demand" enough that the total numbers of maternal deaths increased.
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Post by midcan5 on Aug 11, 2014 6:06:08 GMT -5
"Abolition of a woman's right to abortion, when and if she wants it, amounts to compulsory maternity: a form of rape by the State." Edward Abbey Answers to questions above. ''God Does Not Regard the Fetus as a Soul,' Conservative evangelicals didn’t always care much about abortion or contraception. The strange story of how they came to be obsessed with them.' By Jamelle Bouie "In his book Broken Words: The Abuse of Science and Faith in American Politics, Jonathan Dudley notes that most evangelicals held far more liberal views at the time. “God does not regard the fetus as a soul no matter how far gestation has progressed,” wrote professor Bruce Waltke of Dallas Theological Seminary in a 1968 issue of Christianity Today on contraception and abortion, edited by Harold Lindsell, a then-famous champion of biblical “inerrancy.” His argument rested on the Hebrew Bible, “According to Exodus 21:22–24, the destruction of the fetus is not a capital offense. … Clearly, then, in contrast to the mother, the fetus is not reckoned as a soul.”" www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2014/03/hobby_lobby_and_contraception_how_conservative_evangelicals_went_from_not.html"Another error is the moment-of-conception fallacy. The joining of a human egg and sperm defines a new and unique human genotype. It does not produce any human hopes and fears and memories or anything else of moral importance implied by the term human. The newly fertilized egg may have the potential for a fully human existence, but that potential was there even before fertilization. The same can be said of all the fertilizations that might have been. The penetration of that egg by one sperm meant an early death for millions of competing sperm. It destroyed all hope for those millions of other unique human genotypes. The moment-of-conception fallacy implies that fertilization is a simple process with never a doubt as to whether it has or has not happened. In reality, the "moment" is a matter of some hours of complex activity. There are elaborate biochemical interactions between the sperm and various layers of the egg membrane. The sperm gradually breaks up, and only its nucleus is established in the egg. Then both egg and sperm nuclei initiate radical changes before the fusion of the two nuclei. Many of the developmental events following this fusion were predetermined during the production of the egg. Genes provided by the sperm do not have discernible effects until embryonic development is well under way. A strictly biological definition of humanity would have to specify some point in this elaborate program at which the egg and sperm have suddenly been endowed with a single human life." From The Pony Fish's Glow and Other Clues to Plan and Purpose in Nature, by George C. William. Abortion is the hypocrite's crutch, it requires nothing of the hypocrite, controlling the lives of another person is what they desire most, taking care of or assisting the same person is something they loathe. Empty moralizing is their trademark. A child dies every 15 seconds in the world of natural causes, do you ever hear the hypocrites mention them? And every married couple, every month aborts life, unless they attempt to conceive the potential life present, they just pretend it is something other than what it is. The same people who argue against supporting a woman's right to contraceptive medicine, gladly pay for boner medicine, I guess males matter more than women in their world, and so it goes. |
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Post by midcan5 on Sept 7, 2021 18:30:21 GMT -5
Let me repeat: Abortion is the hypocrite's crutch, a child dies every few seconds in the world and even in America of preventable healthcare issues and never ever do you hear abortion foes talk of helping the living born conscious human being. It is only this moral outrage over abortion that gets notice for it requires nothing of the moralist except judgment and condemnation of the other. Consider too the misogyny and racism so evident in America during the last President and 2016 election and you must wonder why this love of children does not extend into love of all people? How hard it is to to fund help for the needy in America, CHIP was an example, or universal healthcare, and you soon realize abortion like guns is only a wedge issue used to manage the mind of the easily persuaded. Religion, and especially evangelical religion in America has come to be about political power and money and no longer has anything to do with morality, you know simply doing good for your neighbor. "Diarrhoea is a leading killer of children, accounting for 9 per cent of all deaths among children under age 5 worldwide in 2015. This translates to over 1,400 young children dying each day, or about 526,000 children a year, despite the availability of simple effective treatment." data.unicef.org/topic/child-health/diarrhoeal-disease/harpers.org/archive/1987/10/we-do-abortions-here-a-nurses-story/"For some reason, the most vocal Christians among us never mention the Beatitudes (Matthew 5). But, often with tears in their eyes, they demand that the Ten Commandments be posted in public buildings. And of course, that's Moses, not Jesus. I haven't heard one of them demand that the Sermon on the Mount, the Beatitudes, be posted anywhere. "Blessed are the merciful" in a courtroom? "Blessed are the peacemakers" in the Pentagon? Give me a break!" Kurt Vonnegut "Abolition of a woman's right to abortion, when and if she wants it, amounts to compulsory maternity: a form of rape by the State." Edward Abbey |
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Post by midcan5 on Dec 13, 2021 9:01:59 GMT -5
More hypocrisy from the so called religious right. The irony of abortion is do Americans care about living breathing conscious children? Abortion like guns is simply quicksand in which not only does little make reasonable sense, but soon all thought vanishes replaced by hypocrisy. There are children in cages in America, anyone wonder how that passes the we love life parable? The unborn are so easy to take care of since all you have to do is say how much you care. Imaginary concern is too easy. "Abolition of a woman's right to abortion, when and if she wants it, amounts to compulsory maternity: a form of rape by the State." Edward Abbey Do any of these caring Christians care about the below. Nah. That would require doing something just not acting like you care. "Diarrhoea is a leading killer of children, accounting for 9 per cent of all deaths among children under age 5 worldwide in 2015. This translates to over 1,400 young children dying each day, or about 526,000 children a year, despite the availability of simple effective treatment." data.unicef.org/topic/child-health/diarrhoeal-disease/'Abortion Helpline, This is Lisa' vimeo.com/499694935'Abortion Helpline, If you have tears, prepare to shed them now.' |
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Post by midcan5 on May 7, 2022 6:51:16 GMT -5
'Abortion Is Essential Health Care, Including during a Public Health Crisis' tcf.org/content/commentary/abortion-is-essential-health-care-including-during-a-public-health-crisis/"Abolition of a woman's right to abortion, when and if she wants it, amounts to compulsory maternity: a form of rape by the State." Edward Abbey "Few American institutions have inflicted greater suffering on ordinary people than the Supreme Court of the United States. Since its inception, the justices of the Supreme Court have shaped a nation where children toiled in coal mines, where Americans could be forced into camps because of their race, and where a woman could be sterilized against her will by state law." 'Injustices: The Supreme Court's History of Comforting the Comfortable and Afflicting the Afflicted' Ian Millhiser www.goodreads.com/book/show/22715946-injustices
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Post by midcan5 on Jun 25, 2022 18:11:31 GMT -5
It is always the poor and working class who suffer under ruling like the reversal of Roe. The rich will have a way the poor will suffer. Somethings never change.
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Post by midcan5 on Jun 26, 2022 18:08:48 GMT -5
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