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[Ian]

If you tone anything up or down enough you can turn it into anything else.

Fascism is a right-wing extreme just as socialism is a left-wing extreme.

However, with the growing pool of effusively ignorant bodies* the temptations of fascism are becoming ever more defined.


*I say bodies because the phrase human implies some capability of thought.

[Patriot]

Midcan writes:

^{Patriot! still unable to have a complex thought...}

Before you accuse anyone of not being able to have a complex thought, perhaps you should learn to communicate a basic thought, and that is, never to insert an exclamation mark mid-sentence in writing.

Learn to communicate, then get back to me.

[midcan5]

Patriot! surely you have heard of salutations? The exclamation point means - do I really need to explain? Not much of a comeback, but hey, if you had any imagination you'd be a liberal. lol

[midcan5]

Ian, Hello. Tone down or up the Golden Rule. Not sure I agree, I thought we liberals were the relativists? Given the choice which would you pick? Fascism or Socialism. I assume here they are both benign - I already wrote on a piece of paper your selection.

"...Human implies some capability of thought?" Why?

And happy birthday and your aliases too.

[Patriot]

Midcan--

Like the name, your abilities are "mid" range, not "quite can", "clearly can", but "mid can". To that end you have furnished us with more balderdash from your arsenal of nonsense, thank you from the bottom of our hearts.

Since you're obviously unaware of what I had been referring to previously, salutations or not, any letter following an exclamation mark should be capitalized, not jumbled in a hacksaw manner with anything preceeding the exclamation mark.

Before you lecture us about ignorance, you can start out by rectifying your own.

[Ian]

Midcan,

My assertion that you can tone anything up or down was of course exaggerated in order to make a point. No, you can’t tone rules or laws up or down, but you can tone speeches. You were the one who stressed this principle first. If I toned down any of Lenin’s speeches enough I’m sure I could make it fit almost any Democrat on the Hill. That doesn’t necessarily mean those Democrats endorse that particular view.

So,

Michael Savage ≠ Adolf Hitler

[Patriot]

On the subject of Hitler, however, might I recommend a most excellent biography-- a national bestseller, in fact, by Ian Krenshaw. Titled "Hitler: 1889-1936 Hubris". It traces his origins, family life, upbringing, early political activities, and rise to power, but stops short of the war years.

[MO]

Tone down slightly the rhetoric above and many on the right sound the same.

Look at the basic ingredients and it looks a lot like modern liberals!


Letter to the Editor
6/7/95 - Arlington, Washington Times
Thomas Colton Ruthford

During the past several months in the American press, the Democrats have frequently denounced the Republicans as Nazis due to their attempts to control runaway federal spending. How very ironic. I remember the Nazis. Let me share a little about them and recall some of their exploits.

First of all, “Nazi” was gutter slang for the verb “to nationalize”. The Bider-Mienhoff gang gave themselves this moniker during their early struggles. The official title of the Nazi Party was “The National Socialist Workers Party of Germany”. Hitler and the Brownshirts advocated the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, national resources, manufacturing, distribution and law enforcement.

Hitler came to power by turning the working class, unemployed, and academic elite against the conservative republic. After der fuhrer’s election ceased being a political conspiracy and was transformed into a fashionable social phenomenon, party membership was especially popular with educators, bureaucrats, and the press. Being a Nazi was politically correct. They called themselves “The Children of the New Age of World Order” and looked down their noses at everyone else. As Hitler accrued more power, he referred to his critics as “The Dark Forces of Anarchy and Hatred”. Anyone who questioned Nazi high-handedness in the German press was branded a “Conservative Reactionary”. Joseph Goebbels, minister of communications, proclaimed a “New World Order”.

The Nazi reign of terror began with false news reports on the Jews, Bohemians and Gypsies who were said to be arming themselves to overthrow the “New World Order” and Hitler demanded that all good people register their guns so that they wouldn’t fall into the hands of “terrorists and madmen”. Right wing fanatics of the “Old Order” who protested firearms registration were arrested by the S.S. and put in jail for “fomenting hatred against the Government of the German people”.

Then the Reichstag (government building) was blown up and Hitler ram-rodded an “Emergency Anti-Terrorist Act” through Parliament that gave the Gestapo extraordinary powers. The leader then declared that for the well-being of the German people, all private firearms were to be confiscated by the Gestapo and the Wermotten (federal law enforcement and military). German citizens who refused to surrender their guns when the “jack-boots” (Gestapo) came calling, were murdered in their homes. By the way, the Gestapo were the federal marshals service of the Third Reich. The S.W.A.T. team was invented and perfected by the Gestapo to break into the homes of the enemies of the German people.

When the Policia Bewakken, or local police, refused to take away guns from townsfolk, they themselves were disarmed and dragged out into the street and shot to death by the S.A. and the S.S. Those were Nazi versions of the B.A.T.F. and the F.B.I. When several local ministers spoke out against these atrocities, they were imprisoned and never seen again.

The Gestapo began to confiscate and seize the homes, businesses, bank accounts, and personal belongings of wealthy conservative citizens who had prospered in the old Republic. Pamphleteers who urged revolt against the Nazis were shot on site by national law enforcement and the military. Gypsies and Jews were detained and sent to labor camps. Mountain roads throughout central Europe were closed to prevent the escape of fugitives into the wilderness, and to prevent the movement and concealment of partisan resistance fighters.

Public schools rewrote history and Hitler youth groups taught the children to report their parents to their teachers for anti-Nazi remarks. Such parents disappeared. Pagan animism became the state religion of the Third Reich and Christians were widely condemned as “right wing fanatics”.

Millions of books were burned first and then people. Millions of them burned in huge ovens after they were first gassed to death. Unmarried women were paid large sums of money to have babies out of wedlock and then given medals for it. Evil was declared as being good, and good was condemned as being evil. World Order was coming and the German people were going to be the “peacekeepers”.

Yes, indeed, I remember the Nazis and they weren’t Republicans, or “right wing”, or “patriots” or “militias”. They were Socialist monsters.

[midcan5]

"Fascism - A philosophy or system of government that advocates or exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with an ideology of belligerent nationalism." remember.org/guide/Facts.root.nazi.html

If you lived in the middle ages I would assume the worst criticism was that you were possessed by the devil or some such put down. In the modern age you are called a Nazi. Find in your vocabulary a replacement term? Terrorist is gaining speed but terrorism is more complicated and only the simple see it narrowly. Godwin's Law is our modern devil. But there is history and there is ideology so we cannot simply say something is something else and think we have explained it. The author above does that, he obviously knows no history and fails completely to understand the dynamics of politics. But he is one person, do others buy into this revisionist nonsense?

R's piece is ideology it is not history. Notice he fails to mention two of the biggest determinants of Hitler's rise to power, WWI and the GD, instead he assigns terminology taken out of context. What does conservative mean in the context he gives? It is only an ideological statement that is propaganda not explanation.

"Even before the peace took effect, however, Hindenburg, Ludendorff, and other high-ranking German officers began to spread the lie that their armies had been undefeated in the field <b>but had been stabbed in the back by cowards and revolutionaries at home.</b>"

"Hitler and other opponents of Germany's postwar democracy used this lie to discredit the people they considered their enemies (e.g., communists, Jews, liberals, and social democrats), although with the exception of some hardline communists, these people had loyally supported the war effort."

www.pbs.org/auschwitz/40-45/background/

Read the above carefully, does that not remind you of the present? For those interested in a real understanding the links contain enough information to counter R's propaganda.

"Hitler became chancellor of Germany in 1933 through legal means. He was not elected by a majority—no more than 40 percent of German voters ever cast ballots for the National Socialist Party. Instead, he was appointed by a coalition of German nationalists, conservatives, industrialists, and military men who thought they could control him and use him for their own purposes. They were mistaken. He used his new position to promote his own plans for German expansion and so-called racial purification."


The following is interesting in that it points to the conservative worship of the individual or the authority granted that individual.

web.archive.org/web/20030509014742/http:/www.kdhs.org.uk/history/a/as_unit6/conf_a2_u6_01.htm

Bush and Nazi one opinion

www.commondreams.org/views03/1022-01.htm

left and right ideologies

www.casahistoria.net/singleparty.htm#Table%20of%20comparisons%20between%20totalitarian%20states: