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Post by JesterCerberus on May 20, 2004 11:01:55 GMT -5
I guess the more I read concervative posts the more I realize what is the differnce between me and you. You seem to want to fight fire with fire and I am naive enough to think maybe we can stop fighting all together one day (I am talking about the fighting between the US and terroist, not concervatives and liberals).
I know that many of you think I may be stupid and naive and I have metnioned that I probably am naive above, but I am young and I can't stop hopping that one day we will live in a world where these atrocities will no longer happed, at least not as often.
By the way I do not think I am speaking for libnerals in general, I speak for myslef. I don't really think of myself as a liberal but many people have called me that. So please don't mock this post and pigeon hole all the other people who disagree with concervatives as well.
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Post by MO on May 20, 2004 11:24:37 GMT -5
I must say, you sound a bit like a beauty pageant contestant. "I want the whole world to join hands in the spirit of love, peace and friendship." It's a nice thought, but we have to live in the world as it is, not how we would like it to be. Dreamers don't like to admit that real evil exists in the world. Making deals with the devil doesn't work.
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Post by JesterCerberus on May 20, 2004 19:26:48 GMT -5
One day I may become a concervative. Who knows, a lot of people as they get older get more concervative. That's what happened to most of the hippies, they stopped dreaming and dealt with reality. But as I said I am still young and can't stop hoping yet.
Until then I expect better from our country, I expect us not to use racial profiling to fight racist attacks, I expect us not kill innoncent people to avenge innoncent people who have died. I expect us not to use torture on others even though others may use torture on us.
We may have just incarcerated or stopped instead of killing, we may not have killed as many innoncent, we may not have totured as badly but I don't think we should compromise our ethics for them. If we do that then even in victory we have lost.
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Post by Vince on May 20, 2004 19:39:14 GMT -5
Jester,
yep dude, I hear ya. I'd say most actually would rather heaven on earth. But as Mo pointed out, that just isn't the case bro. One day... sure. Until then watch your back dude. You can say you're a libby and I know you will morph a bit over time but something to contemplate (a small recent revelation for me), you don't lock your doors because of conservatives. YOu lock your doors to keep out other liberals. So be careful of your friends and who you have watching your back especially if they're a liberal politician.
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Post by rush22 on May 21, 2004 5:20:17 GMT -5
Jester, remember that there are many liberals who are neither young nor naive.
You don't ever need to tow the line of any party, be it conservative or liberal. Just have your own dreams and ideas and let them fall where they may. If there were never any dreamers there would never be people like George Washington or a country as great as the United States.
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Post by JesterCerberus on May 21, 2004 14:06:54 GMT -5
Vince I don't lock my doors. This may be foolish but I just don't see what locking my door would do to someone who was really determined. It helps I don't live in a very dangerous place though. I would rather live my life without fear, and possibly die then live my life constatnly fearing death.
Thanks rush22, as I said I'm not giving up yet. I still belive this country can become what it was dreamt to be.
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Post by Nick on May 28, 2004 1:58:06 GMT -5
Making deals with the devil doesn't work. I guess you mean like it didn't work in South Africa, or Northern Ireland, or at the end of Communism, or recently in Libya... that kind of not working? The kind of not working where people stop shooting and bombing each other and come together into democratic negotiaion? I hate when things don't work like that. Nick |
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Post by MO on May 28, 2004 2:30:18 GMT -5
Ronald Reagan defeated communism not by appeasement but by drawing a tough, hard line. Meanwhile, the liberals were doing the same things they are doing now. They were wringing their hands in fear and talking about disarming.
Libya would not have agreed to disarm if we just played nice nice. Muammar Qadaffi was afraid he was going to be next.
Sit back in your self-righteous moral cowardice and let other people handle the world's problems. Let the men with the testicular fortitude take care of you.
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Post by Nick on May 28, 2004 2:49:54 GMT -5
Except that Libya has been in negotiations with the British government since 1992. These things don't happen overnight, you know.
And South Africa? Northern Ireland? nothing to say on those matters.
Personally I think it's easy to look macho with a fuck-off great rocket launcher in your hand. Real bravery comes from sitting down and trying to understand and change the situation.
Nick
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Post by MO on May 28, 2004 9:56:21 GMT -5
These things didn't happen right at the start of the war by coincidence. You don't even concede to the obvious.  Keep telling yourself that. That will get you a fat ass and a beer buzz. |
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Post by Ian on May 28, 2004 20:06:16 GMT -5
Oh, I know... George Bush, that skinhead. 99.9% of the terrorists are Arab, 100% are Muslim. Does it make sense to pull old, white ladies out of line? Or old, black ladies or orientles?
Use some common sense. Oh that's right, you're currently traveling around wonderland with the lollipop guild. Sorry, I'll try to remember next time.
What are you talking about? NEWS FLASH:
Muslims hate us. They will never like us. The only thing they respond to is fear. If we did what you "expect" we would have 9/11s every week.
What the hell?! This has got to be a joke.
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Post by Nick on May 30, 2004 7:52:19 GMT -5
What the hell?! This has got to be a joke. Actually, it probably isn't. I feel much the same. I see no point to living a life filled with paranoia about what some unknown 'other' might do to me. I live life in a fairly carefree way, and if I die tomorrow then so be it. At least I have lived to the full, and not lived in fear of every stranger I meet. For the sake of information, I have a beer buzz often, but a moderately proportioned ass. Northern Ireland was solved by talking, not by killing. The talking goes on, the killing has stopped. I stand by my footertion that it is braver to walk unarmed into a meeting with your enemy than armed onto the battlefield. Nick blimey, I'm not even allowed to say a$sertion! |
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Post by MO on May 30, 2004 11:25:11 GMT -5
I don't live in fear, but I don't live in apathy, either. Perhaps your attitude is the reason you got your collective arses kicked by a bunch of farmers a few hundred years ago. "These are the times that try men's souls." If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace. Thomas Paine When God made the oyster, he guaranteed him absolute economical and social security. He built the oyster a house, a shell, to protect him from his enemies. When hungry, the oyster simply opens his shell and food rushes in for him. He has no worries. He doesn't fight anybody. He's not going anywhere. But, when God made the eagle, He gave him the sky as a domain. The eagle then nested on the highest crag, where the storms threaten every day. For food he flies through miles of rain, snow, sleet and wind. He screams his defiance at the elements, and goes about his own business, building his own life. When aroused, he's a vicious foe for his enemies. THE EAGLE, NOT THE OYSTER, IS THE EMBLEM OF AMERICA!
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Post by Ian on May 30, 2004 21:56:04 GMT -5
Call me old fashioned, but I think you should at least be able to spell what you criticize.  I don't think locking your doors at night classifies you as living in fear. It classifies you as someone who doesn't open himself up to unnecessary risks. It might just be where I'm from. I wouldn't use a chainsaw without proper equipment just because I think it limiting. |
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Post by JesterCerberus on Jun 2, 2004 12:54:15 GMT -5
Oh, I know... George Bush, that skinhead. 99.9% of the terrorists are Arab, 100% are Muslim. Does it make sense to pull old, white ladies out of line? Or old, black ladies or orientles? Um, what about the Oklahoma City bombing? Are you serious that all terroist are Muslims? As I said before I think that depending upon who's receiving the attack many attacks can feel like terrosim. You'll probably think that that last statement was a wild acusation but as I also said ebfore since I'm an American I don't think that our bombings are terorism, I'm just saying that if I woke up and a hospital next door had been blown up in the night and hundreds of me neighbors were dead becuase another country screwed up I would still feel like the victim of terrosim. But thats beside the point. Are you saying that Timothy McVeigh is Muslim and an Arab? |
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