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Post by ukbushgirl on Jan 31, 2004 8:27:43 GMT -5
Maybe because most Christians (although not all) have a good understanding of moral values. Maybe I want to have a free run of monarchy as in any religion can lead- after all that's true of every other job that doesn't need religion (priests etc need to be the religion they're preaching or it wouldn't make sense for them to do it.)
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Post by Peanut on Jan 31, 2004 13:31:20 GMT -5
Finally, some input! ukbushgirl, i look forward to debating with you ;D
- according to whom though? The Bible/the Torah/the Koran all share a reasonable size of the same script. Why not have a Jewish Ruler? Or a Muslim one? Granted you have pyschos like osama around, but he's a fundamentalist - they cant be trusted. Why not have Buddhist leaders or Hindu ones? The Dalai Lama and Gandhi were never on the opposing end of criticism - and yet Jerry Fawell (sp?) or George Bush Jr (and Sr.) always are...
The Monarchy is a tricky deal, because it's entwined with Religion - the Queen is leader of the British/Canadian/Austrailian gov't AND the leader of the Anglican Church, well theoretically anyways. I just dont see why people need to believe that religion NEEDS to be tied into politics.
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Post by Angmar on Jan 31, 2004 21:31:21 GMT -5
Your arguments--if you so call them--are self contradictory to an unfathomable degree. Firstly, according to liberal scientists, life originated in Africa. Ergo, Africans had hundreds of thousands of years as a head start, compared to their neighbors that populated Europe--why, then, is all of the money, power, and influence a possession of Europe? And it didn't start out that way either. God turned the Israelites, a wandering shepherd people, into the most powerful nation the world had ever seen. How did they manage this in half a century? I wonder.
As to Jews and Moslems, Jews pour ridiculous sums of money into Israel, etc., etc., while Moslems believe that killing a non-Moslem is a good work. Neither position is helpful.
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Post by Peanut on Feb 1, 2004 13:41:23 GMT -5
- so now you need science/biology lessons as well? alrite then
Yes, most "liberal" scienetists (that is the DUMBEST THING you have yet to post) agree that life originated in Africa, simply because the oldest bones of any human ancestor have been found there. These ancestors immigrated to europe and the middle east and from there into russia, and southern asia and then finally into North America and South America by means of land bridges (one forming from russia to alaska and the other being Panama).
Secondly, as all this immigration is occuring the early human ancestors are changing, evolving because their environment is changing (i.e. temperatures difference in europe and africa cause those that immigrate to Europe to become caucasian because their bodies dont need to produce as much melanin, due to lack of sun. Those that stay in africa, their bodies continue to produce melanin to protect them from the sun).
Thirdly, you are confusing advancement with evolution. All humans are evolving accordingly to the changes in their environment, it doesn't mean that some are "more advanced" becasue they stayed where they originated in - they simply found that they could survive in this warmer envirnoment and didn't immigrate - THAT'S ALL. They made due with the resources they found and thrived.
- it's called war. Persia had incredible wealth due to earthly desposits of gem stones and gold and silver. India had more marble and granite to build there spectacular buildings. Europeans have timber, a hell of a lot of it, which made buildings easier to build and repair. More buildings, means more people, more people means bigger armies, bigger armies means greedier leaders and bam you have invaders, invading and pillaging other lands.
- what in holy hell are you talking about? seriously. Judaism has been around for 4000 years, if they religion can last that long, it makes sense that they people who believe in it can as well. Anyone whose tried to enslave them, didn't care what religion they preached, as long as they did they work they were commanded to do. This is no divine intervention, it's tactically smart. "Believe what you want, as long as you dont use up any resources to do so and as long as you do what i tell you". Really, that's all there is to it.
- yes and christians believed that it was fine to kill "witches" and non-christians for a very long time. What is your point exactly? If you still believe that muslims that kill non-muslims is an accepted belief in the global community - study the belief, learn where it came from, talk to actual MUSLIMS and see that you are wrong. Like i said, only fundies have that belief - and like i said before, they cannot be trusted.
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Post by ItWillNeverWork on Feb 1, 2004 15:15:49 GMT -5
"Yes, most "liberal" scienetists (that is the DUMBEST THING you have yet to post)..."
I have to agree. Even for Angmar that was a particularly stupid statement.
There is no such thing as 'liberal' or 'conservative' science. Only good science and bad science, truths and untruths. Subjectivity does not enter into it, only new evidence.
If you have fallen into the trap of believing that science should support your world view then you are further to the extremes than I originally thought. Just for the record Angmar coud you please state your political stripe? I have my suspicians from the posts you seem to make:
"Urban ghettos are all liberal, as liberal policies supply more welfare funds for crack"
"There is, once more, an ancient and powerful white gentry class at all Ivy League schools, to the dismay of the liberals"
Then of course theres your obsession with an anti-israeli threads. Or is that simply anti-jewish? (It is one thing to critisise a country for its politics, it is another to do so because of a prejedice against the race of that country)
I don't know why I bother with people like you. Maybe its cus you're so young that you are misguided. I suggest you open your eyes to the possibility of propaganda closer to home than any apparently 'liberal' lie you seem to see everywhere.
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Post by Angmar on Feb 1, 2004 19:52:36 GMT -5
- so now you need science/biology lessons as well? alrite then Yes, most "liberal" scienetists (that is the DUMBEST THING you have yet to post) agree that life originated in Africa, simply because the oldest bones of any human ancestor have been found there. These ancestors immigrated to europe and the middle east and from there into russia, and southern asia and then finally into North America and South America by means of land bridges (one forming from russia to alaska and the other being Panama). Secondly, as all this immigration is occuring the early human ancestors are changing, evolving because their environment is changing (i.e. temperatures difference in europe and africa cause those that immigrate to Europe to become caucasian because their bodies dont need to produce as much melanin, due to lack of sun. Those that stay in africa, their bodies continue to produce melanin to protect them from the sun). Thirdly, you are confusing advancement with evolution. All humans are evolving accordingly to the changes in their environment, it doesn't mean that some are "more advanced" becasue they stayed where they originated in - they simply found that they could survive in this warmer envirnoment and didn't immigrate - THAT'S ALL. They made due with the resources they found and thrived. - it's called war. Persia had incredible wealth due to earthly desposits of gem stones and gold and silver. India had more marble and granite to build there spectacular buildings. Europeans have timber, a hell of a lot of it, which made buildings easier to build and repair. More buildings, means more people, more people means bigger armies, bigger armies means greedier leaders and bam you have invaders, invading and pillaging other lands. - what in holy hell are you talking about? seriously. Judaism has been around for 4000 years, if they religion can last that long, it makes sense that they people who believe in it can as well. Anyone whose tried to enslave them, didn't care what religion they preached, as long as they did they work they were commanded to do. This is no divine intervention, it's tactically smart. "Believe what you want, as long as you dont use up any resources to do so and as long as you do what i tell you". Really, that's all there is to it. - yes and christians believed that it was fine to kill "witches" and non-christians for a very long time. What is your point exactly? If you still believe that muslims that kill non-muslims is an accepted belief in the global community - study the belief, learn where it came from, talk to actual MUSLIMS and see that you are wrong. Like i said, only fundies have that belief - and like i said before, they cannot be trusted. Firstly, Europe has indeed gained more power than any other region. But what's the reason for this? They had timber? And the Redwood forests of America's Pacific coasts don't count for anything? Where is all of Europe's unfathomable resource originating? It's a mild temperate zone with a reasonable growing system. They were more advanced because they fought in more wars? What about the omnipresent violence in Mongolian Asia, South America, and African regions? There really is nothing extra to benefit Europeans. Perhaps "liberal scientist" does push the truth, but many scientists embrace the evolutionist and Darwinist fundamentals, which I tend to reject at every oppurtunity. Ultimately, I find modern science to be predominantly liberal. In summation, I'm not anti-Israeli in any sense, but I find large sums of money shipped off to another country for no apparent reason rather absurd. Toward the Middle East, I would prefer to embrace isolationism, but since the terrorist efforts, this is definitely not a likely possibility. And finally, concerning witch-burnings, I don't feel that early methods of determining who was a witch were particularly effective, and that the effort was therefore doomed from the start. Once again, Christians were looking at the Old Testament (and current Israeli teaching) of "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live". Jesus, on the other hand, preached forgiveness and an effort for conversion. |
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Post by ukbushgirl on Feb 2, 2004 11:12:44 GMT -5
The monarchy should do one of two things.
Either:
Stick by claims that it's ok to discriminate against people's religion and that it's necessary for the job. Proceed to only allow CoE in.
Let go of claims and let every religion in (Catholics included)
The current situation is foolish.
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Post by ItWillNeverWork on Feb 2, 2004 11:44:54 GMT -5
Bloody royals, scrounging off us hard working taxpayers!! ;D  |
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Post by ukbushgirl on Feb 3, 2004 11:04:05 GMT -5
Thats another reason why the monarchy is not just like the powerful US families. People from these families still have to work to earn a living- for example President Bush has to do politics etc. The powerful UK family, Windsor, does not need to work as it's supported by our taxes.  |
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Post by MO on Feb 3, 2004 19:26:41 GMT -5
;D
There is enough liberal junk science these days to sink a ship. When I say liberal I mean that the scientific process has been neglected. It's everywhere.
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Post by ItWillNeverWork on Feb 3, 2004 21:23:27 GMT -5
Ang, you still havent responded to my question. Or are you too busy polishing your jack boots?
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Post by Angmar on Feb 3, 2004 21:38:53 GMT -5
'Fraid I don't have any Jack Boots, lol. Anyway, I would consider myself a conservative quazi-libertarian, as I'm all for less legislation except on the issues of what I consider basic morality. If you're looking for a general answer, I vote Republican.
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Post by Ted on Feb 3, 2004 21:54:35 GMT -5
I never really heard any support or dislike for Bush from the UK.
What are jack boots?
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Post by ukbushgirl on Feb 4, 2004 12:52:55 GMT -5
Ah so you weren't aware of the idiots in the whole UK 'Stop the War' campaign- some of whom didn't even protest for those reasons (Kids as young as 11 had a school strike. If these people were sensibly encouraging kids into their protests they should have encouraged them out of school hours)
Fortunately I'm not like this.
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Post by Ted on Feb 4, 2004 21:06:05 GMT -5
Ah so you weren't aware of the idiots in the whole UK 'Stop the War' campaign- some of whom didn't even protest for those reasons (Kids as young as 11 had a school strike. If these people were sensibly encouraging kids into their protests they should have encouraged them out of school hours) Fortunately I'm not like this. No, no, I never have heard of any of this. I'm unimformed, lol. |
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