Bush is great - why can't more uk people see this

[ukbushgirl]

I live in UK and have noticed how few people share my opinions on the primeminister. Tony Blair is a great guy and who is even more great is your president Bush (I guess as a US run site for republicans- they share my values far more than any party over here who tend either to be elitist and pro-monarchy or left-wing- there will be a lot of Americans on the site). It is really annoying when I open my mouth to talk politics and all the idiots (most of whom are my peers and a lot less educated than me) disagree with me to fit in or basically giving me a load of bs they've learnt of the media (biased over here to). Something needs to be done to help people with freedom of speech as I know many people who agree with me and pretend to agree with others to keep in. Also there is a massive problem with sex over here (people make pervy jokes far too often, in my peer group if nowhere else involving illegal sex (here min age is 16 which barely anyone takes into account)). Well, I've basically described how stupid it is

[Favre]

I'm glad to hear you feel that way! I have quite a few friends from the UK that are conservative and Pro American. While I will not stand up for a lot of the moves Bush makes, I'm glad to see your interest. I have a lot of problems with Bush's socially liberal policies, but there is no one I would rather have in there than him when it comes to fighting the war on terror.


(Did I restrain myself well MO?)

[MO]

You did great, Favre!

[Angmar]

I wouldn't particularly mind having a King in the US or UK--it's essentially the same thing, with genealogy and powerful families holding influence in the government.

[Peanut]

I wouldn't particularly mind having a King in the US or UK--it's essentially the same thing, with genealogy and powerful families holding influence in the government.

- oh i know i'm just gonna love sparing with this duck!

here's some american history from a canadian. America, or more so the American colonies, just having been freed from English Rule, never thought of having ANOTHER dynasty rule them. This was the WHOLE DAMN POINT OF YOU BREAKING AWAY FROM ENGLAND! It's called a text book, all you need to do is look up the author, make sure he or she (are women allowed to read where you're from angmar?) is not affliated with any political organization and read to your hearts content!

[MO]

Peanut, there is no indication that Angmar is need of a history lesson from some pompous kid.

[Walter]

With what just occurred to the BBC resulting from their false charges that Blair "sexed up" the rationale last May, I am much more impressed with the Brits than with our own Liberal media and their war on Bush.

In my recent trips to London and Norwich, I was surprised at the number of clear thinking folks supported GWB and the US action in Iraq.

It was interesting how they felt they could speak candidly with this Yank, yet felt intimidated tspeaking their own minds with their countrymen.

[ItWillNeverWork]

I cant say that i've seen much of what your describing. there is plenty of talk on both sides of opinion. Noone I know is being castagated for expressing a pro war view.

[MO]

Anyway, welcome to the board ukbushgirl!

[ukbushgirl]

Thanks for the welcome. I would argue that there is a difference between royalty (as the position currently stands) and high families ruling in US. People who are American and powerful (eg Bush) need to work to mentain their power. The princes may own shares but after the army it's basically an easy ride. Also the president is chosen whilst the monarch is not. It's important for powerful families to bring in a new generation as they seem to be the ones who bring in morals and Christian faith in their children. Another thing about US president is if he likes he can choose to be any religion. In UK it is rediculous - you can be any religion apart from a Catholic (even a devil worshiper for goodness sake). The position of monarch right now is rediculous.

[Peanut]

why do so many people want christians ruling them? need i remind people about the holy wars? or the witch hunts (both in europe and puritain america?)

i'm confused...

[Angmar]

Peanut said:

- oh i know i'm just gonna love sparing with this duck!

here's some american history from a canadian. America, or more so the American colonies, just having been freed from English Rule, never thought of having ANOTHER dynasty rule them. This was the WHOLE DAMN POINT OF YOU BREAKING AWAY FROM ENGLAND! It's called a text book, all you need to do is look up the author, make sure he or she (are women allowed to read where you're from angmar?) is not affliated with any political organization and read to your hearts content!

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Is that why the newly formed United States wanted to appoint George Washington as king?

And people tend to want Christians as leaders because all of the most successful societies have them. Isn't it a bizarre coincidence that Christian nations are more successful than others?

[Peanut]

Is that why the newly formed United States wanted to appoint George Washington as king?

- and that's why the congress ruled NOT to have him as a King. Why get rid of one monarch and instill another?

And people tend to want Christians as leaders because all of the most successful societies have them. Isn't it a bizarre coincidence that Christian nations are more successful than others?

- goodie more HISTORY lessons!! There's nothing bizarre about it.

Roman Empire became a christian empire in 313 when constantinople looked into the sun and saw a cross (he looked into the sun and then saw things...hmmm, isn't that bizarre? and no that wasn't an understatement as to what happened, that LITERALLY happened people)

So you know have one of the richest nation in the world, a christian nation. The Roman Empire, shifts and changes it's shape and by the 1000's and 1100's you have two definitive christian groups. The Roman Catholics and the Orthodox. STILL bloody rich.

Let's jump over to 1500's, and wow, people realize that africa is DAMN big, North and South america are filled with heathens that need to be converted (heathens with a LOT OF GOLD, mind you) and so does africa(but instead of heathens with gold they have heathens with precious stones). It's colonized by the british empire, french, dustch, and german. So you know have the british empire, prolly one of the richest nation in the world, "owning" about 1/5 of the planet, therefore making these parts of the planet christian (i've jumped ahead to the 1800's and these "parts of the planet" consist of India, Canada, America (yes i know, you have your independance by this time, but you still keep trades up with the British, you're all chummy chummy) Austrailia, let's say 1/3 of africa, england, scotland, ireland, and the bristish isles.)

It has NOTHING to do with divine intervention, or a secret code from God telling people to be christian, it all comes down to the $$$ and which country has enough to colonize new land (it so happened that christians nations did - i wonder what would've happened had constantinople saw a star of david in the sun? or a ying yang symbol?).

Oh and dont forget, any colony and that swears to be a certain religion, that religious organization benefits a hell of a lot, with all that wonderful money pouring in.

So i ask this question again, why do so many people wish for their leaders to be christian, considering all the problems christians have caused in the past.

And before anyone goes off on that tangent that it wasn't only christians that were colonizing/terrorizing new found land, keep this in mind, muslims were the ones finding back and who here has heard of a buddhist missionary?

[Angmar]

. . .

George Washington did not want to be a king, Congress and the common people were requesting him to be. He felt that the position of king gave an invidivual too much power. It was his personal choice. All that aside, with all of the money wasted on campaigns and elections, it is definitely more cost effective to have a genealogical head of government.

Yes, Constantine the Great saw a sign in the sky, and converted to Christianity--but even if he hadn't, Christianity would still be nearly as popular as it is today. The Romans had no way of stopping Christianity in the catacombs, it spread either way.

As to the success of European nations, it has been pretty much absolute. Yes, the Chinese had paper, the Arabs had an intelligent system of numerals, as you can add more easily, etc., etc. That's all beside the point. The point is, Christianity and Western Civilization have become the most powerful concepts in the modern world, and if it has nothing to do with neither race nor religion, and all peoples were truly equal in every way, history would not have played out in the way it has.

P.S: Isn't it strange how the Christian countries have more money, power, and influence than everyone else? The real reason people elect Christian to lead their government is that it's a tried and true path to success.

[Peanut]

The Romans had no way of stopping Christianity in the catacombs, it spread either way

- sure they did. They KILLED these members of this weird jewish sect. It never would've been THIS popular and it certainly wouldn't have turned out like this, if constantine (i believe i said constantinople before, i apologize for that goof) hadn't seen that "sign".

Yes, the Chinese had paper, the Arabs had an intelligent system of numerals, as you can add more easily, etc., etc. That's all beside the point.

are you dense? you span thru the greatest discoveries of man, in a sentence and dont realize the advancement this put over europe and western civilization.

The point is, Christianity and Western Civilization have become the most powerful concepts in the modern world, and if it has nothing to do with neither race nor religion, and all peoples were truly equal in every way, history would not have played out in the way it has.

- uhhhhhh, it has everything to do with race and religion. Why didn't european monarchs marry into the chinese dynasty? or the japanese empire? Because they wanted to stay white and christian, and because these cultures allowed for divorce - meaning money would've been lost.

Seriously dude...

Isn't it strange how the Christian countries have more money, power, and influence than everyone else?

- DO YOU NOT READ?! an early start gave them money - money builds armies, armies conquer and then riches from new lands are stolen and given to these greedy monarchs - THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO IT!

The real reason people elect Christian to lead their government is that it's a tried and true path to success

- tell that to the "witches" that were burned at the stake. You're not answering my question, so dont reply, i give up, unless someone else replies, i just wont reply.