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Post by thought on Feb 20, 2004 12:28:50 GMT -5
nevermind...
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Post by ItWillNeverWork on Feb 21, 2004 15:26:49 GMT -5
Damn MO, your a character I'll give you that.
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Post by RussianJewishAth on Feb 21, 2004 18:14:55 GMT -5
yes liberals are much better educated.
they know the art of whining and screaming
for publics attention. *sarcasm* just in case you are too educated to figure it out
The internet is notorious for having non-factual information with absolutely no back up sources. When you get something from the internet and think its real check if they have sources up so you could check and validate and make sure its a reliable and recognized source one which is recognized by the world community...
What I read recently in a pakistani newspaper site(in english cant read paki) is basicly insane. Its like a rant about how the "imperialist in Us" have this plan to take over the world and their ultimate goal is world domination they are trying to subvert poor muslims into their folds against their will and mass of other crap. That story is on bbc now , just insane purely.
Constitution is the central guide of US political agenda.
Cause all the changes and shifts revolve around it. Why should US ignore its own law and be guided by urs? Isn't thats what sovereighnty is all about?
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Post by MO on Feb 22, 2004 3:00:09 GMT -5
RJA -If you are trying to say in that confusing four paragraphs that the US should ignore the un and the eu, I would agree with you.
WOW! LOL! Sometimes the irony is too much to take! Wouldn't "go there" if it wasn't thread relevant.
Thought- How do you screw up a one....errrrr two word post?
IWNW-
Is English your second language?
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Post by ItWillNeverWork on Feb 22, 2004 8:49:39 GMT -5
Is English your second language?
No. Is the real world your second home?
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Post by MO on Feb 22, 2004 20:34:58 GMT -5
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Post by Ted on Feb 22, 2004 22:35:08 GMT -5
The real world is my summer home. . . ;D
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Post by RussianJewishAth on Feb 23, 2004 1:38:31 GMT -5
argh you are like women changing the issue to escape being wrong
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Post by Ted on Feb 23, 2004 18:38:41 GMT -5
. . .
1. That was a touch sexist.
2. What the hell are you talking about anyway?
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Post by Spunk on Feb 26, 2004 19:08:34 GMT -5
Liberals are smarter?? Who are you kidding?? Liberals are idealist with little sense of reality. They dream up these grand schemes for great societies where the government takes care of you and everything is free.
The problem is all that crap isn't free! It's carried on the backs of working stiffs like you and me. They have no concept of paying for this dreamland so they tax me to death. I already have to support my family and the 15 slack-jawed booger eating morons living off my paycheck!
Doesn't sound like they're smarter to me, just sounds like they're ignorant.
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Post by MO on Feb 27, 2004 5:33:37 GMT -5
Good observation, Spunk! Welcome to the board.  |
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Post by ItWillNeverWork on Feb 27, 2004 13:14:21 GMT -5
"They dream up these grand schemes for great societies where the government takes care of you and everything is free."
That is what the right would like you to believe is true. In actual fact genuine socialism is grounded in a sound analysis of capitalist society that attributes production down to those who WORK for it, i.e you and me. The idea of progressive taxation is that it redistributes the unearned wealth from the landed aristocracy and capital owners to the real producers of wealth.
This analisys however has been abused and distorted over many years but fortunatly the more extreme elements (communism) of it have been defeated.
Today we are left in the situation where that analisys is outdated. It was an analysis of 19th centuray europe, not of a modern day global economy. The consequence of this is that, whilst a landed class still exists, the wealth is more evenly spread. Progressive taxation then has become unfair and also an antithesis to the concept of distribution to those who produce.
The wealthy are no longer just leeches off the working class. The working class have now become able to gain wealth.
I am a socialist but, surprising as you may find it (noone actually asked me), I am against progressive taxation. The reason for this is that the once applicable analysis of capitalist society is no longer true. Thus, in the vein of all politcal economists who have based their beliefs on dialectic debate, I see a need for a reassesment of the core policies of socialism.
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Post by Ted on Feb 27, 2004 21:39:35 GMT -5
I'd personally rather have no socialist presence at all. Supposing the US split into two areas--socialist and capitalist, with no unified taxation or required commerce. Which do you honestly think would be more successful?
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Post by ItWillNeverWork on Feb 28, 2004 7:24:49 GMT -5
"Supposing the US split into two areas--socialist and capitalist, with no unified taxation or required commerce. Which do you honestly think would be more successful?"
It depends what you view socialism as being. If you see it as a political or economic system then you are mistaken. There have been many 'systems' designed around the socialist ethic but none have fully realised their aims.
I suspect that when people think of socialism they are actually thinking of Marxism. Marxism was merely Karl Marx's attempt at designing a system that would achieve socialism. It failed because it was flawed in it's authoritarianism and centralised beurocracy.
However, the word 'socialist' was around a long time before Marx put pen to paper and so the values of it live on after the welcome demise of Marxism.
Essentially, socialism is merely the belief that people should be provided protection from cradle to birth. They should get health care free at the point of administration and never go hungry or freeze whilst the means are available to prevent this.
This is not an unreasonable aim. It is also not unrealisable within a free market framework. In fact, I would argue that the free market is the best way to achieve the aims of socialism.
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Post by MO on Mar 1, 2004 4:28:09 GMT -5
Another socialist that just thinks no one has done it right, yet.  |
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