A Poll

[Walter]

Someone posted a poll asking about each of the folowing and did they represent conservatism or liberalism:

1. Opposition to freeing the slaves.
2. Opposition to the establishment of child labor laws.
3. Opposition to the establishment of food industry regulations.
4. Opposition to the establishment the National Parks System.
5. Opposition to the establishment of Social Security.
6. Opposition to the establishment of Medicare.
7. Opposition to the end of segregation.
8. Opposition to the establishment of Civil Rights Laws and Voting Rights Laws.
9. Opposition to women’s rights in the workplace.
10. Opposition to anti-trust legislation.
11. Opposition to the direct election of the Senate.
12. Opposition to banking reforms.
13. Opposition to the concept of an Environmental Protection Agency.
14. Opposition to the 8 hour workday.
15. Opposition to the establishment of federal health and safety standards.
16. Opposition to the establishment of a Home Security department over a year prior to 9/11.
17. Opposition to equal funding of schools to provide a shot at equal education.
18. Opposition to ghetto-area renewal to help get the poverty out of crime

The answers are, for the most part, liberalism.

The disinformation campaign of liberals has created the false stereotypes.

For example, the Republicans (Lincoln) freed the slaves despite deep rooted opposition of Liberals. The CRA64 was passed only because Republicans came to LBJ's rescue as many Democrats fought the idea of Civil Rights.

Women's sufferage was pushed through by Republicans. Had only the Democrats been involved, women would still be asking for the right to vote.

The direct election of the Senate was a repudiation of the sovereignty of the states as the original USA was really a confederation of autonomous state governments and the Senate was intended (as in SPQR) to be a body representing the leaders of each autonomous state, not a separate legislative body of the people as intended by the House of Representatives. The Republicans supported it as a modernization of the initial intent of the framers.

And so on....

Interesting how the Left is so capable of revisionist history...then actually believing their own bovine defecation...and perpetuating the myths.

[remedios]

I'm going to make this REAL simple for you, so you and all your cronies finally get it:

1. The freeing of slaves was all of the below:
a. Supported by the party called Republican at the time
b. Opposed by the party called Democratic at the time
c. Supported by the party of liberals
d. Opposed by the party of conservatives

It has always been people of liberal stripe that have opposed slavery. The fact that their party was called Republican at the time does not mean that were they alive today, they'd be chummy-chummy with Pat Buchanan or David Duke. That's essentially what you're arguing. It's rather ridiculous.


2. Opposition to the establishment of child labor laws.

A quick glance at the current Republican platform and an introductory textbook on Constitutional law would bring you up to speed on this one. The current Republican party is a party of Federalists, i.e. they're all about state's rights (at least where it serves their agenda). The establisment of child labor laws was the result of Supreme Court decisions dictating that states could not make their own decisions about whether children worked full-time or not, etc. It was one of the first big examples of the feds intruding into the local sphere. If the Republican party in fact supported the establisment of child labor laws, it sure as hell wasn't the party championed by George Will or Ann Coulter.

Interesting how the Left is so capable of revisionist history...then actually believing their own bovine defecation...and perpetuating the myths.

Hmmm. The creation of Social Security and Medicare were Republican ideas? Even I know that Roosevelt was a Democrat. It's clear to me, especially after reading the above-highlighted gem, that you're a straight out liar.

You probably of the mind-set not only that if you say it often enough, it'll be true, but also have decided that since the ACTUAL platform of your party has repeatedly been rejected over the past 70 years by the public, you'll merely co-opt the platform of the DEMOCRATS, a.k.a. (at least by everyone else) the liberals.

[ItWillNeverWork]

Yes Walter, Its all a big liberal conspiracy and everyones been brainwashed.

Or, more likley you have such a black and white view of things that you have misunderstood copmpletley what it means to be a conservative/liberal. I can link this back to what I was saying about the 'left/right' analogy leading to oversimplfication of peoples world views by oversimplified people but I won't.

You seem to see 'conservatism' as meaning neo-liberal and 'liberalism' meaning socialism. Have you ever thought about the origin of the word conservatism? It comes from CONSERVE. I.e to CONSERVE what is the norm of the day.

Now, lets think. What was the norm of the day when slavery existed? It was legalised slavery. So, what would a person who wanted to conserve this practise be called? a CONSERVATIVE.

now here is the important part so pay attention.

slavery does not exist, dictatorial rule (in the USA) does not exist, the free market exists, socialism does not exist. Therefor, A MODERN CONSERVATIVE BELIEVES THAT SLAVERY IS WRONG, THAT DEMOCRACY SHOULD BE UPHELD AND THAT THE FREE MARKET IS BEST.

of course, all of these things are also believed by the liberals (yes, it is possible to be liberal AND conservative at the same time) so one should not attatch the word to a particular party.

the words liberal and conservative are both very transcient, they change in content (but not meaning) from era to era. THIS is why your reaction to the poll is unnescesary.

As a last point I suggest you read F.A Hayeks 'Why I am not a Conservative'

Here is a link

www.geocities.com/ecocorner/intelarea/fah1.html