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Post by AgentOrange on Sept 13, 2003 19:10:51 GMT -5
I see, so Hitler was a friend to the Jews?
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Post by MO on Sept 13, 2003 19:39:33 GMT -5
AgentOrange-Perhaps you could hone in on your writing skills in order to reach a point where you are able to put a series of several sentences together. That may be necessary for the rest of us to determine what the hell you are talking about. What about Hitler and the Jews and how is it relevant to this topic?
Peanut- Other religious symbols at court houses, such as a statue of a goddess are not being challenged by the ACLU. To remove all religious symbols would promote one religious belief above all others. It would promote secular humanism. Our Constitution guarantees our citizens the right to free exercise of religion. I don't give a flaming fig who is offended by it. If I moved to Pakistan I would expect to hear Islamic prayers at sporting events and see references to the Koran in the court house. If people want to come here they should be willing to embrace our culture and values, not force theirs on us. A large majority of the citizens of the US are not offended by the Ten Commandments.
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Post by MO on Sept 25, 2003 14:05:10 GMT -5
Samuel Thompson wrote: I don't believe in Santa Claus, but I'm not going
to sue somebody for singing a Ho-Ho-Ho song in December.
I don't agree with Darwin, but I didn't go out and hire a lawyer when my
high school teacher taught his theory of evolution.
Life, liberty or your pursuit of happiness will not be endangered because
someone says a 30-second prayer before a football game. So what's the big
deal? It's not like somebody is up there reading the entire book of Acts.
They're just talking to a God they believe in and asking Him to grant
safety to the players on the field and the fans going home from the game.
"But it's a Christian prayer," some will argue. Yes, and this is the
United States of America, a country founded on Christian principles.
According to our very own phone book, Christian churches outnumber all
others better than 200-to-1. So what would you expect -- somebody chanting
Hare Krishna? If I went to a football game in Jerusalem, I would expect to
hear a Jewish prayer. If I went to a soccer game in Baghdad, I would expect
to hear a Muslim prayer. If I went to a ping pong match in China, I would
expect to hear someone pray to Buddha. And I wouldn't be offended. It
wouldn't bother me one bit. When in Rome ...
"But what about the atheists?" is another argument. What about them?
Nobody is asking them to be baptized. We're not going to pass the
collection plate. Just humor us for 30 seconds. If that's asking too much,
bring a Walkman or a pair of ear plugs. Go to the bathroom. Visit the
concession stand. Call your lawyer.
Un! fortunately, one or two will make that call. One or two will tell
thousands what they can and cannot do. I don't think a short prayer at a
football game is going to shake the world's foundations.
Christians are just sick and tired of turning the other cheek while our
courts strip us of all our rights. Our parents and grandparents taught us
to pray before eating, to pray before we go to sleep. Our Bible tells us
just to pray without ceasing. Now a handful of people and their lawyers are
telling us to cease praying. God, help us. And if that last sentence
offends you, well ... just sue me.
The silent majority has been silent too long ... it's time we let that
one or two who scream loud enough to be heard, that the vast majority don't
care what they want .... it is time the majority rules.
It's time we tell them, you don't have to pray ... you don't have to say
the Pledge of Allegiance, you don't have to believe in God or attend
services that honor Him. That is your right, and we will honor your right
.. but by golly you are no longer going to take our rights away ... we are
fighting back ... and we WILL WIN!
After all the God you have the right to denounce is on our side! God
bless us one and all, especially those who denounce Him ...
God bless America, despite all her faults ... still the greatest nation
of all ... God bless our servicemen who are fighting to protect our right
to pray and worship God ...
May 2003 be the year the silent majority is heard and we put God back as
the foundation of our families and institutions. Keep looking up ... In God
We Trust.
(from e-mail)
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Post by Peanut on Sept 25, 2003 15:00:06 GMT -5
"But it's a Christian prayer," some will argue. Yes, and this is the United States of America, a country founded on Christian principles." - no, north and south america were founded by aboriginals, not by christians. "They're just talking to a God they believe in and asking Him to grant safety to the players on the field and the fans going home from the game" - and i'm sure if they wanted to say a pray to Allah or Vishnu (because america does have muslims and hindus and jews and buddhists, all across the board  ), you'd support that 100%, right? "We're not going to pass the collection plate. Just humor us for 30 seconds." - and you have this right to be "humored" because....? "Christians are just sick and tired of turning the other cheek while our courts strip us of all our rights." - strip YOU of YOUR rights? are you outta your mind? You're asking an entire nation to conform to your ways, just so you can live your life A BIT better, why should they? Not all americans, want to be white, christian americans, and you need to realize this, diversity is something you're nation has, but it something your nation doesn't support. "Our Bible tells us just to pray without ceasing." anyone who tells you to stop praying is wrong, just do it in private, cuz i for one dont need to hear it, and shouldn't be forced to hear it. your bible also says women are property and rich people should have slaves... "The silent majority has been silent too long ... it's time we let that one or two who scream loud enough to be heard, that the vast majority don't care what they want .... it is time the majority rules." the word "majority" and "minority" were created by rich people in control to control the poor people who weren't, you're majority isn't silent, look around the media, how many evangelistic channels do you people have? like you said christian churches out number any other place of worship by 200-1, you are not a silent majority, you're loud...and starting to get annoying. |
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Post by MO on Sept 25, 2003 16:16:26 GMT -5
I guess it just depends on what you think it means to respect diversity. We should not have to give up our culture and customs. People wishing to come to the US should be willing to assimilate to our way of life or stay out.
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Post by Peanut on Sept 25, 2003 21:09:30 GMT -5
"We should not have to give up our culture and customs." - again it's funny how you believe america is YOURS, your country is not one with primary christian roots, it's one, like canada and mexico and all of south america, that has aboriginal roots. Your culture is an old european one, and you are MIMICKING old european christian cultures.
"People wishing to come to the US should be willing to assimilate to our way of life or stay out." - YOU DONT HAVE A WAY OF LIFE! When you picture an american in your head, what do you see? I'm really curious to hear this, get off your high horse and realize that no one has to BE what you say they are, simply because you live a certain way of life.
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Post by MO on Sept 25, 2003 21:45:42 GMT -5
Wrong. Our Government was formed by Christians on Christian principals. I have posted evidence of that fact all over this board, including page one of this thread.
Speak for yourself!
What's Next: Fire and Brimstone?
Phil Brennan
Wednesday, Aug. 13, 2003
"Everything that exists deserves to perish." – Karl Marx, quoting Goethe's devil in "The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Napoleon"
For a very long time now, Marxism in its guise of modern liberalism has worked toward the satanic goal of making everything that exists perish.
Thoroughly in the grip of the delusion that society cannot be just as long as it labors under the strictures imposed upon it by Western Judaic Christian civilization, it has decreed that everything, every trace of that tradition -– morality, religion, the dignity of man made in the image and likeness of God, the Ten Commandments - all must be eliminated before the world can remake itself in its own depraved image and likeness.
That is the entire motivation of those who now style themselves as "progressives," the title once used by underground members of the Soviet-dominated U.S. Communist Party to identify themselves to each other.
They have been engaged in a decades-long campaign to destroy every last vestige of the traditions and morality that underlie Western civilization – the traditions that produced among other blessings the Constitution of the United States, which recognized and safeguarded the dignity of humanity bestowed upon it by God. Traditions that they abhor.
The world I live in today is so far removed from the world into which I was born in 1926 and in which I grew up, that it is scarcely recognizable. It's as if the gates of hell had been flung open and legions of demons loosed upon mankind.
We are being seduced. In the name of liberation from the often inconvenient restraints a civilized society demands of its members, we are being slowly but inexorably drawn into the brave new world that spawned such liberated paradises as the Soviet Gulag, National Socialism's Auschwitz, Castro's Isle of Pines, and the joys of the Cambodian holocaust in which millions perished in the name of Marxist enlightenment.
One of the bedrock tenets of a free civilization is the recognition that a truly free society can only exist where its members restrain themselves, keeping in check their passions and their basest instincts and showing full respect for the rights and safety of their fellow humans. A society where the citizenry cannot restrain themselves is a society in chaos, and such societies can either restrain their people or simply cease to exist and descend into barbarity.
In societies where self-restraint underlies a constitutional republic, the rights and privileges of all its members are protected by a rule of law based on an understanding of the very nature of mankind as children of a loving God – fallible, ornery, disputatious but nevertheless divinely ordained.
This was the society that existed in the United States when I was born – a society that elicited envy throughout the rest of the world. It is a society now undergoing destruction.
In a Godless society where the citizenry cannot or will not restrain themselves simply because they do not recognize or accept as binding upon them the laws of nature and of nature's God, as the Declaration of Independence put it, there are only two options: chaos or restraint imposed by an all-powerful state in the name of the maintenance of law and order. And that state alone decides what is law, and what is order.
We are rapidly being transformed into this kind of society and it isn't happening by accident. We aren't merely drifting into this kind of society, we are being propelled into it by people who know exactly what they are doing.
Americans are being seduced by the lures of sexual pleasure in all its aspects, from the attractions of the sexual revolution that derides the notion that sex outside marriage is both sinful and carries with it multiple psychological and possibly physical penalties, to the promotion of processes such as abortion, which offers relief from the consequences of promiscuity.
People as young as kids in their pre-teens are engaging in unrestrained sexual activity, often with the support and even encouragement of a society which, instead of voicing disapproval, offers condoms to the young as its response to immoral and self-destructive behavior.
Homosexuality, for eons on end recognized as unnatural, gravely sinful and destructive to the societies where it has flourished, is being raised to the same level as natural heterosexuality, and its critics are increasingly under the threat of being branded bigots or even subjected to legal penalties. Churches are castigated for condemning the practice and, in the case of the Episcopal Church in America, abandoning its 600-year condemnation of perversion by electing a gay bishop.
Abortion is granted legal protection – something denied its victims – and science is becoming more and more strident in its demands to clone or otherwise alter human beings.
Clearly we are allowing ourselves to be seduced into behaviors that will result in an ever-increasing imposition of state authority responding to the effects of an unrestrained citizenry engaged in activities that strike at the very roots of a civilized society.
Man is playing God, and we are ill-equipped for the role.
At the root of all of this is the Marxist desire to impose socialist authority on the world, which is what we face in reaction to our loss of self-restraint. If we cannot restrain our passions and our base instincts, we will have to be restrained. And Karl Marx's acolytes are ready, willing and able to supply the straitjackets and the shackles.
Finally, those who ignore and flout the laws of nature and of Nature's God leave themselves open for the sort of consequences Sodom and Gomorrah endured as a result of their liberation from the laws of nature and the laws of Nature's God. It was fun while it lasted, but it all ended with a bang.
If we persist in defying natural law and Nature's God, can fire and brimstone be far behind?
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Post by Peanut on Sept 25, 2003 22:59:50 GMT -5
"Wrong. Our Government was formed by Christians on Christian principals. I have posted evidence of that fact over this board, including page one of this thread."
I'm not talking about your gov't, your gov't was created by christian men from europe. I'm talkin about your country it was founded by aboriginals and therefore has aboriginal roots, christianity, like you're settlers, simply came along, they are a speck in the true history of your land.
As for the other stuff, too much to read, and to late an hour, i have class tomorrow.
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Post by MO on Sept 26, 2003 0:35:44 GMT -5
No, the Bible speaks about some cultural issues that were relevant at the time it was written. Jesus and his followers spoke to women directly. They must have been looked upon as the radical feminists of their time. I'm aware of passages that include references to slavery, but none that say rich people should own slaves. Perhaps you could find that for me. And while you're bashing Christianity about slavery two thousand years ago, you may want to consider the slavery that still exists today in some of the cultures you are demanding that I embrace!
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Post by Peanut on Sept 26, 2003 17:23:54 GMT -5
Where did i say to embrace any culture you are NOT familiar with? You can go around hugging and loving everyone that's just not gonna happen. But when a new culture is brought to your attention, like when immigrants come to america (or canada) what right do you have to tell them they MUST be like you and your, uh, "culture"?
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Post by MO on Sept 27, 2003 3:34:45 GMT -5
Peanut, what are you talking about? What cultures that I am not familiar with? It's not the cultures that I am not familiar with that I find troubling! I can be "tolerant" of other cultures. The problem is that they are not being tolerant of mine. * on edit * Why don't you try speaking to some of my points? What about the slavery that still exists to this day? Or should we just chalk all that up to equal but different culture? Do you reject the notion that some cultures are superior to others? |
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Post by MO on Sept 27, 2003 4:27:46 GMT -5
Once again, Ann Coulter says it better than I can! www.anncoulter.org/It's The Winter Solstice, Charlie Brown! September 24, 2003 DAVID LIMBAUGH'S new book, "Persecution: How Liberals Are Waging War Against Christianity," will make you cry for your country. (But don't pray for your country if you're anywhere near a public school!) Released this week, Limbaugh's copiously researched book documents how the courts, the universities, the media, Hollywood and government institutions react to any mention of Christianity like Superman recoiling from kryptonite, Dracula from sunlight, or Madonna from soap and water. His straight, factual narrative of what is happening in our public schools makes you wonder how much longer America can survive liberalism. In a public school in St. Louis, a teacher spotted the suspect, fourth-grader Raymond Raines, bowing his head in prayer before lunch. The teacher stormed to Raymond's table, ordered him to stop immediately and sent him to the principal's office. The principal informed the young malefactor that praying was not allowed in school. When Raymond was again caught praying before meals on three separate occasions, he was segregated from other students, ridiculed in front of his classmates, and finally sentenced to a week's detention. Before snack time in her kindergarten class in Saratoga Springs, N.Y., little Kayla Broadus held hands with two of her classmates and recited this prayer: "God is good, God is great, thank you, God, for my food." The alert teacher pounced on Kayla, severely reprimanded her, and reported her to the school administration. In short order, the principal sent a sternly worded letter to Kayla's parents advising them that Kayla was not allowed to pray in school, aloud or with others. The school board then issued a triumphant press release crowing about its victory over a kindergartner praying before snack time. Thus was creeping theocracy in Saratoga Springs stopped dead in its tracks! Kayla's mother brought a lawsuit, winning Kayla the right to pray out loud. But she was still prohibited from holding hands with others while she prayed. Hearing the G-word in kindergarten might interfere with the school's efforts to teach proper sexual techniques in the first grade. Thanks to the vigilance of an alert teacher at Lynn Lucas Middle School outside of Houston, two sisters carrying Bibles were prevented from bringing their vile material into a classroom. The teacher stopped the students at the classroom door and marched them to the principal's office. (Maybe it was just the sight of public school students carrying a book of any kind that set off alarm bells.) The sisters' mother was called and warned that the school intended to report her to Child Protective Services. When the mother arrived, the teacher threw the Bibles in the wastebasket, shouting, "This is garbage!" In another display of tolerance at Lynn Lucas Middle School, school administrators snatched three students' books with covers displaying the Ten Commandments, ripped the covers off, threw them in the garbage, and told the students that the Ten Commandments constituted "hate speech." (Also, it would be insensitive to expose the Ten Commandments to students who had never been taught to count to 10.) After the massacre at Columbine High School, students and families were invited to paint tiles above student lockers. The school district had taken all reasonable precautions, immediately deploying an army of secular "grief counselors" with teddy bears to descend on the school after the attack. Nonetheless, some students painted their tiles with "objectionable" messages, such as: "4/20/99: Jesus Wept" and "God Is Love." This would not stand: The school removed 90 tiles with offending religious messages. A federal court upheld the school's censorship of the religious tiles. Of course, Columbine school officials had earned a measure of deference after having inculcated such a fine sense of morality in their students that two boys could walk into school one day and stage a bloody massacre. You don't argue with a track record like that. Not all mentions of religion constitute "hate speech." In Tupelo, Miss., school administrators methodically purged all Christmas carols of any religious content – and then led the children in a chant of: "Celebrate Kwanzaa!" At Pattison Elementary school in Katy, Texas, Christmas songs are banned, but students are threatened with grade reductions for refusing to sing songs celebrating other religious faiths. In New York City, the chancellor of the Department of Education prohibited the display of Nativity scenes in public schools, while expressly allowing the Jewish menorah and the Islamic star and crescent to be displayed. Some would say that was overkill inasmuch as New York City is already the home of the world's largest public display built in commemoration of Islam: Ground Zero. Between issuing laws prohibiting discrimination against transgendered individuals and running up a $38 billion deficit, the California Legislature mandated a three-week immersion course in Islam for all seventh-graders. A "crash course" in Islam, you might call it, if that weren't so ironic. Students are required to adopt Muslim names, plan a trip to Mecca, play a jihad game, pray to "Allah, the Compassionate" and to chant "Praise to Allah! Lord of Creation!" They are encouraged to dress in Muslim garb. Students are discouraged, however, from stoning girls at the school dances, abusing their "Jew" math teachers or blowing up their classmates. A popular student textbook, "Across the Centuries," treats the Inquisition and Salem witch-hunts as typical of Christianity, but never gets around to mentioning the Muslims' conquest of Spain, the Battle of Tours, or the execution of Jews in Qurayza. Or 9-11. There is no surer proof of Christ's divinity than that he is still so hated some 2,000 years after his death. Limbaugh's "Persecution" covers it all in staggering, heartbreaking detail. His methodical description of what is happening in our public schools alone will call to mind the hate speech banned in Columbine: "Jesus Wept." www.anncoulter.org/ |
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Post by Peanut on Sept 28, 2003 22:31:18 GMT -5
Mo, well slavery is bad, haha, dont really know how else i'm suppose to go on from that. Any culture that still has slavery today, as well as any culture that tramples basic human rights, promotes hate and violence, all have something flawed with them.
Your last question as to whether one culture can be superior to another is an interesting one. I think superior is the wrong word, because that implies one is near perfect, and no culture is perfect. When one country has 11,127 gun murders in the year 2002 like yours, or when ridiculous debates has to be done over and over again to allow gays to marry (like my country) to a country that tramples on basic human rights (like Houndoras), which of these is "superior" to the other? True a country (let's say country for arguements sake, cuz i dont believe being american is a culture, nor do i believe being canadian is a culture as well, deal?) It's a matter of finding less flaws in a country and that country's will to try and reduce or irridicate those flaws (obviously not every flaw can be irridicated, but alot can) that will make it an "example" if you will, for others to follow, but not necessarily assimilate too.
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Post by MO on Sept 29, 2003 21:13:12 GMT -5
Main Entry: 1su·pe·ri·or Pronunciation: su-'pir-E-&r Function: adjective Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French superieur, from Latin superior, comparative of superus upper, from super over, above -- more at OVER Date: 14th century 1 : situated higher up : UPPER 2 : of higher rank, quality, or importance 3 : courageously or serenely indifferent (as to something painful or disheartening) 4 a : greater in quantity or numbers <escaped by superior speed> b : excellent of its kind : BETTER <her superior memory> 5 : being a superscript 6 a of an animal structure : situated above or anterior or dorsal to another and especially a corresponding part <a superior artery> b of a plant structure : situated above or near the top of another part: as (1) of a calyx : attached to and apparently arising from the ovary (2) of an ovary : free from the calyx or other floral envelope 7 : more comprehensive <a genus is superior to a species> 8 : affecting or assuming an air of superiority : SUPERCILIOUS - su·pe·ri·or·ly adverb Not "near perfect" just better than the others by comparison. That's US! Slavery is alive and well. www.anti-slavery.org/misc/hentoff.htmwww.infoplease.com/spot/slavery1.htmlEdited to add- Peanut- Just what is a "culture?" Do some countries have a culture? Are we to respect the culture of others to the point of giving up our own? |
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Post by Peanut on Sept 29, 2003 22:07:46 GMT -5
Whose to say ours is better, if we still go to war, fight, have violence, yadda yadda?
A culture is a similiar belief system held by people in a country, with a similiar historical tie to the land. When i ask you to picture a polish person, you can picture a white person and you'd be accurate to do that, being polish i can tell you'd be accurate to do that.
But being canadian, if i told you to picture a canadian, and you pictured a white person, i would tell you your wrong. same with americans, i CANT picture what a general american looks like, because you are so diverse, you simply dont embrace it.
Can one culture be superior to another, no, because no culture is one to be set on a pedistool (sp?) above another, we all have flaws.
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), you'd support that 100%, right?