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[scrap]

Please forgive my late entry into this most Noble of endeavors as I have been out of town enjoying my beloved game of baseball. I just returned from Florida where I got to watch my home team prepare for the upcoming season.

I would like to congratulate all of the appointees and thank Patriot for throwing my name into the ring. I will do my best not to foul up at this level of Governing.

I also believe Righty should be given a pass on his zealous behavior. His heart was in the right place.

As the new Director of the CIA I would like to instigate a few policies of my own but I can't tell you what they are ;D

The border would be my first priority. With the engineering expertise available to me in this Country I believe we could construct some barriers along the Southern expanse of the USA that could stem the flow. If normal barriers don't work we can always move to phase two.
There's always electricity, moats with alligators, sniper posts, ....well you get the idea. It may seem heavy handed to some of you but desperate times call for desperate measures.

I'll get back to you with some other ideas but right now I have to chase down a mole in my organization someone named medican or midwife or some such thing

P.S.
With deep respect I must ask you Mr. President what exactly you mean by:

"Overhauling Our Approach to the War on Terror"

You do realize that early withdrawal is penalized by fines, not to mention the wrath of a woman ;D ;D ;D

[Patriot]

I just want to thank all of you, particularly Mo, Midcan, and Scrap, for showing up. This is bound to be a most fruitful topic in the weeks and months ahead and should be a source of fun and learning for all of us as we learn to run the country. I now defer to the President, Ian, for what is to be addressed first.

Mr. President, please note that the the Secretary of the Treasury and Ambassador to the Middle East, Mo, has joined us; along with the Honorable Ambassador of the United Arab Emirites, Midcan, who has made an opening statement, as well as the Director of the CIA, Scrap.

[Ian]

Thank you all for showing up. I realize the lure of a golf outing at St. Andrews is damn near unbearable for some, so your attention is truly a testament to your convictions in the policies of this Administration.

Firstly, I would like to announce that I will be indefinitely unavailable beginning Sunday the 19th. I’m moving the family into a permanent vacation home in Dallas, Texas and will be far too busy to be preoccupied with governmental concerns. As protocol dictates, Vice-President Patriot shall relieve me of my presidential duties in the interim.

To address CIA director Scrap’s inquiry, by “overhaul” I mean to alter the very aim of this “War on Terror” we wage. My concept remains roughly unchanged from when we first launched this offensive. I believed that the most time/life/cost efficient strategy was to incite a coup within the relatively fragile Iraqi force (most likely within the Republican Guard) deposing (if we must’ve) Fuhrer Hussein and installing a far more neutral dictator, due to the fact that he would be forever indebted to the US government for his reign, or at least aware of the fact that we could just as easily depose him. Considering the previous administration so recklessly shattered the structure of the Iraqi army, those means are no longer available. However, the basic plan, I believe, is.

I’ll rely on you to report the factions most adept at ruling a new dictatorial Iraqi government. Rest assured my solution is not an early pull out, but rather a sound resolution to the conflict. Chasing an apparition of peaceful democracy in the Middle East is a formula for protracted, fruitless military involvement. This is an issue prime for discussion in the War Room. Once I have been sufficiently situated in Dallas, I’ll elaborate more fully on my position.

I suppose at this time I’ll hand over the reins to Vice-President Patriot for the time being. I’m not positive of the appropriate governmental procedures, my job is to sit in the big chair and be the president.

Signing out for the last time from Cape Coral,

President Ian

[Patriot]

Honorable Heads of State and Cabinet members, with particular regard for the administration's appointees, Supreme Court Justice Righty, Madame Secretary and Ambassador Mo, Secretary Groucho, Director Scrap, and in acknowledgement of the guests within our midst, Ambassador Midcan of the UAE, and in absentia, Ambassador Vinny of North Korea, it is my pleasure to welcome you all to the discussion currently under way, namely, our American policies foreign and domestic.

Allow me to thank Ambassador Midcan for his opening statement, we shall call upon you, presently, to expound.

The first issue of the day, in the President's State of the Union Address, is the matter of American sovereignty abroad. To that end I raise the question, anticipating feedback from all cabinet members: what should be done in Iraq? As Vice President I will moderate the proceedings and record the views of those present.


Vice President Patriot

[TNRighty]

As Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, this issue may be outside my bounds, but I feel strongly that if we are not to allow the UAE control of our ports, they should cerainly not be allowed control over the education of the youth of this country, as Ambassador Medican has proposed.

In my humble opinion, education should be left to the states and local municipalites. There should be no federal intrusion into this institution, and certainly no foreign intrusion into the education of the children of our republic.

While I understand the good intentions and good will of Ambassador Medican, as a country we would be remiss not to weigh heavily the possible alterior motives of a foreign nation as it pertains to education and possible indoctrination of our youth. I belive this a service too vital to outsource.

Your opinions please.

[scrap]

First off I would like to submit my name as acting Chairman of the Joints Chiefs of Staff, while we await the return of Bolo. That position is held now by one of my Marine Brothers, so it seems like a natural to me.


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As Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, this issue may be outside my bounds,

I'm sure I overstepped my bounds regarding the border problem also but with the limited amount of personnel available here we shall have to do the best we can and defer the final decision to the appropriate person.

I tend to agree with Righty on the education of our children. Who knows what ideas could be put into their heads. The females could be relegated to the rear of the classroom and be made to wear bhurkas (sp). If they want to spend their money and erect the buildings I say fine but the curriculum will be dictated by the local authorities.

With the Iraqi Army getting more involved every day in handling the problems that arise, time may be our only solution. I don't believe we have or had enough personnel to handle the situation as it progressed.
Hopefully as an area is secured now, the Iraqi's left behind will be able to keep it that way.

Puppet officials have had a long history of not working so where I see Ians point I don't believe in this case it would have been an option especially with the corruption and evil as widespread as it was. The previous Administration was in place for far too long and its tentacles were far too wide spread. Replacing the head would have been like sticking your finger in the dike.

On a personal note I hope our Presidents new home works out to his satisfaction. I lived in Texas for awhile but it was too damned hot and Dallas can have some of the most unpredictable weather I've ever seen.

[midcan5]

I have not had time to confer with my colleagues but a recent discussion on CNN is an excellent lead in to a solution in Iraq. Zibig offers a framework. We can model a solution from all or parts of it. Let me know your thoughts and considerations. The secretary could start rolling the idea out to get a feel for its feasibility.

"BRZEZINSKI: Well, I think we ought to disengage, but we ought to disengage in an intelligent fashion. We have to recognize the fact that we are facing a war of attrition and a war of attrition which we are not winning.

Henry once said, and I thought, very correctly, that in a guerrilla war, if the guerrillas are not losing, they're winning. This is a war of attrition. And we're not winning. It's getting worse. More and more Iraqis want us to get out. What I would like to see us do is the following three or four steps.

One, ask the Iraqi leadership to ask us to leave. There will be Iraqi leaders who ask us to leave, maybe not all. Those who don't want us to leave are the ones who will leave when we leave. So first of all, ask us to leave.

Secondly, once they have publicly asked us to leave, set a date. I think a year or so would be reasonable.

Third, get the Iraqis to announce publicly, as their initiative, the convening of a conference of all of Iraq's neighbors to deal with the problem of stability and stabilization in Iraq because they all have a stake in stability in the region.

And then, last, we could then convene an external conference, modeled on the one that we had regarding Afghanistan, regarding help from the major potential donor countries."

transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0603/19/le.01.html

[midcan5]

Let me clarify the point about education. Education would remain as it is k through 12, it is there and mostly in the home that a person gains a sense of citizenship and responsibility, along with knowledge of the fundamentals. The uae would not control but rather fund schools that would provide free education in the trades. There could be a means test but I would be open to all applicants being accepted. This is not control by a another country. What it does is offer an education for the many students who are not upper middle class and whose parents cannot afford 30k at year. It also offers trade and computer education free. How many know young people who would grab at such an opportunity. Reconsider, as this is a win win for our youth.

[Patriot]

In acknowledgement of Director Scrap's voluntary act to assume the position of Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, let it be known that this administration approves. In order of preference, what title would you prefer to be called? Director, or Chairman?

[Patriot]

Chief Justice,

By all means you are entitled to state your opinion on matters both foreign and domestic, though your rulings must be restricted to US jurisdiction and American constitutional law.

[scrap]

patriot2 said:

In acknowledgement of Director Scrap's voluntary act to assume the position of Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, let it be known that this administration approves. In order of preference, what title would you prefer to be called? Director, or Chairman?

You can call me anything except "late to dinner" ;D

I believe Directman would be proper until our absentee President returns and says otherwise.

I thank the V.P. for the faith he shows in me by letting me assume this role. I will voluntarily step down if and when Bolo shows up to take his rightful position.

Now that I have the authority and the entire Military at my disposal there's a few things I would like to do to Midcan .

I will expound on these ideas in my next post, in the meantime there's a little squabble in the Middle East I need to attend to.

[Patriot]

Director Scrap,

Perhaps in your next post you will also explain any revamps you might have in mind for the military during this administration, and as director of the CIA, any thoughts on border control. The introduction of your ideas could lead to a ruling by Chief Justice Righty.

[TNRighty]

My thoughts on immigration policy, pretty simple.

1) Enforce the laws that already exist. If you're here illegally, you are breaking the law. We don't need more laws! Its not a legal problem, its an enforcement problem. We need to enforce the laws that exist. This new bill in the Congress is just more of the same old crap...we draw a line in the sand, they cross it, so we just back up and draw a new line...on and on. How can we expect immigrants to have respect for our laws if we allow them to break our laws the minute they set foot in the country? If they don't respect our laws, they won't respect our nation or our sovereignty. And they won't respect our laws unless we enforce them!

2) Cut the red tape for legal citizenship. Right now its much easier to dig a tunnel or swim the Rio Grande during flood season than it is to navigate through the miles and miles of paperwork it takes to become legal. Our massive beaurocracy is as much an incentive for illegal activity as is our unwillingness to enforce the laws that exist.

Point one and point two are mutually dependent. I'll try to explain through a simple analogy...

Its illegal to walk out of Wal Mart with something you didn't pay for. However, if nobody enforces laws against theft, why in the hell would somebody stand in line at the cashier when they can just walk out the door scot free, especially if the lines at the cashier are a mile long? That's the best explanation I can give for the current state of immigration policy in America.

You solve that problem by 1) enforcing the laws against illegal activity, and 2) do whatever it takes to shorten the wait at the cashier. Quite simply, we have to deter illegal activity by enforcing the laws against it, and at the same time reduce the red tape required to do it legally.

Okay, now that I've made my legal point, I respectfully request permission to take off my Chief Justice hat and put on my coonskin hat...You can take the Righty out of TN, but you can't take the TN out of the Righty!

In a more ideological sense, you have to protect your borders and language. That is what defines a sovereign nation. If America is allowed to become a nation which can be illegally plundered at will; its laws, borders, and culture disrespected and abused, we won't have to worry about immigration because nobody will want to come here.

[scrap]

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1) Enforce the laws that already exist. If you're here illegally, you are breaking the law. We don't need more laws! Its not a legal problem, its an enforcement problem. We need to enforce the laws that exist. This new bill in the Congress is just more of the same old crap...we draw a line in the sand, they cross it, so we just back up and draw a new line...on and on. How can we expect immigrants to have respect for our laws if we allow them to break our laws the minute they set foot in the country? If they don't respect our laws, they won't respect our nation or our sovereignty. And they won't respect our laws unless we enforce them!

2) Cut the red tape for legal citizenship. Right now its much easier to dig a tunnel or swim the Rio Grande during flood season than it is to navigate through the miles and miles of paperwork it takes to become legal. Our massive bureaucracy is as much an incentive for illegal activity as is our unwillingness to enforce the laws that exist.

While I agree with parts 1 and 2 I really don't see a solution for the current situation in there.

The law of the land is very specific on illegal entry and it should be enforced to the letter,

A:
We need to seal the borders by whatever method works the quickest. Some type of blockage needs to be erected. It can be monitored electronically or by sentry if necessary., but it needs to be done now.

B:
Once the border is sealed or a fair amount of protection is in place while we wait for it's completion, let the roundup begin. If a person can't produce documentation be it a birth certificate,green card visa or whatever then off they go. We can set up internment camps for temporary housing while awaiting deportation or we can just take them to the border and send them across. There can be other methods used for anyone other than Mexican heritage but for the sake of this post we'll just speak of them.

I Keep hearing the excuse from politicos that "we can't round up 12 million illegals and send them back. That would be impossible!" Seems I remember at the outset of WW2 the government had no difficulty rounding up every JapaneseAmerican and putting them in internment camps. Simply dust off the plans and put them into action. Worked once, can work again.
This is our country that's being invaded and we need to take drastic measures. I for one am tired of the term political correctness. We bend over any further and we'll be able to kiss our own asses. It's time for a change and while I have the power vested in me by this forum I believe I shall wield it.

C:
Temporary visas will have to be issued at a greatly accelerated rate to keep our economy growing at the current levels. I haven't worked out all the details yet but with the contributors here and when we get into our closed meetings I'm sure the rest can be ironed out.


The majority come to mooch off of our country, get free health care, etc., and don't contribute anything back to society.

Most of our ancestors came here legally. They had to learn English and go through the whole migrant process. They had to learn how to adapt into society as well as their children. They maintained a level of professionalism, education, and even military service. There were no free health plans for the sick or pregnant. There were no check cashing places or corrupt loan offices to hand out money if they had no job. You either learned English or you didn't make it.

And now, we have illegals leaving their undeserving jobs, illegal children ditching free public education to gather up and protest because they shouldn't have to go through the process to be a legal American citizen??? They stand around parading Mexican flags, holding up banners saying "Viva Mexico" Constantly yelling racial slurs and badgering anyone of any other race if they are near by or wish to join the protest.

If they are so pro-Mexico, why the fock are they here? That just further proves the fact they all they care about is them selves and want to collect all the free hand outs as possible. And in alot of instances, they seem to get more rights then the American citizen addition to all this madness, let's not forget the severe damper they put on the state's and country's economy. They come here and have anchor babies, to be delivered free of charge.... In the state of AZ alone, there are over 40,000 illegals incarcerated. They don't pay any taxes. Crime rates are sky rocketing....

Kick them the fark out. If they want to be here, they have to do it by OUR rules.

I seriously cannot understand what it is about the "illegal" aspect of this whole issue. I would be the last to deny that these folks are very hard working, family types who are simply looking for a better life. That applies to about every immigrant that ever came to this country, LEGALLY! Either we are a nation of laws or we are not. If one starts down the slippery slope of choosing to ignore some laws while enforcing some others, it leads to total anarchy. Then we,as bonified American citizens certainly ought to be granted a similar right to simply ignore the laws that we choose, with impunity. I mean fair is fair


If anyone can get me past the "ILLEGAL" aspect of the presence of 12+ million non-citizens inside our borders, and not reward them for their lawbreaking in the process, I am willing to put my hostility away once an for all. This seething anger could push me into something that is counter to my normal "live and let live" attitude.

More later when I've cooled off

[TNRighty]

When hundreds of thousands of people from another country assemble en mass in the streets of America waving the flag of their home country, burning our flag, chanting "this land is ours" as they did in Los Angeles, that is not a "protest". It is an invasion. It is an outright disrespect of the laws of our country and a direct assault on the sovreignty of the United States of America. They are disrespecting our laws, our borders, our language, and our culture.

Their message is, "We're here, we're gonna stay, and you can't make us leave". In most nations that would be interpreted as an act of war.

The bigger problem is that we have allowed this to happen through loose fiscal policy, political correctness, and an unwillingness to enforce the laws of our country. That's how great nations fall, from within. History has taught us that lesson. A nation built on the rule of law will not survive if it does not enforce its laws.